Page 11 of 13 FirstFirst ... 910111213 LastLast
Results 101 to 110 of 122

Thread: Obama administration to announce controversial emissions cap on power plants

  1. #101
    Sage
    Visbek's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Last Seen
    12-16-17 @ 05:28 PM
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    10,020

    Re: Obama administration to announce controversial emissions cap on power plants

    Quote Originally Posted by Iron Yank View Post
    Hello my name is Barak Obama, I'm here for your Coal, your Wood Stoves, Your Natural Gas Pipelines, your oil rigs & oh your prices will necessarily skyrocket!
    Again... The plans are pretty flexible, and give the states a great deal of latitude. NG will almost certainly be acceptable. And no, no one is going to ban wood stoves.


    You can still use cleean energy of course but the price to manufacture the solar panel will go up because of the emissions it will cause....
    Sorry, wrong. The price of solar has been dropping steadily since the 1970s. The more renewables we develop and use, the more economies of scale will kick in, and the more efficient the units become.


    of course you'll only get "some" energy when the sun shines
    How to Use Solar Energy at Night - Scientific American


    IMO the people behind this Global warming scam are some of the most ruthless greedy bastards this country has ever produced. Look at Algore as one example.
    Please. Look at the Fortune 500. Exxon Mobil = #2, Chevron is #3, Phillips #6, Valero #10, Marathon #25, Conoco #47, Occidental #116.... And let's not forget how BP handled its recent massive oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico. The idea that it's the renewable investors and companies who are the "greedy bastards" is a patently absurd claim.


    So then when the price to heat your home is so high you have to resort to burning wood to keep from freezing do we then see the EPA send a Gestapo team to come & rip the stove out of your wall? Maybe now you can see why these Federal Gestapo teams are arming up. They dont expect people will willfully go along with all this crap.
    Even the US Chamber of Commerce, which is a Republican think tank, doesn't make such extravagant claims. They say it'll cost the US economy $50 billion a year; compared to a $15 trillion annual GDP, that's nothing. Spare us the hyperbole.

  2. #102
    Outer space potato man

    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Last Seen
    12-16-17 @ 11:29 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    51,849

    Re: Obama administration to announce controversial emissions cap on power plants

    Quote Originally Posted by votemout View Post
    Its all about destroying america period.
    Life must be so much simpler when you can just believe the other guy is a comic book villain instead of actually responding to the arguments presented.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

  3. #103
    Sage
    Taylor's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Location
    US
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 10:39 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    6,170

    Re: Obama administration to announce controversial emissions cap on power plants

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    On CO2, the right wingers had their chance. They had ample opportunity to get on board with a market-based solution, modeled after the system used to reduce lead content in gasoline and sulfur dioxide emissions.
    If it were truly a "market-based solution," why do we need politicians to "get on board?"

    "Get out of the way" seems more appropriate.

  4. #104
    Outer space potato man

    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Last Seen
    12-16-17 @ 11:29 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    51,849

    Re: Obama administration to announce controversial emissions cap on power plants

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    If it were truly a "market-based solution," why do we need politicians to "get on board?"

    "Get out of the way" seems more appropriate.
    Environmental protection requires the force of law, because the market has no financial incentive to that end. It is always faster, easier, and cheaper to just dump whatever I want wherever I want. This gives me a competitive edge over those who would behave more responsibly. It is particularly true of air pollution, there simply isn't a mechanism for the public to redress harm caused by those emissions. A lawsuit isn't going to do it, you can't prove emissions from my facility caused you any harm.

    In the system I am referring to, the government doesn't dictate what methods must be used to control emissions. Instead, they create a situation where cleaner operators gain a financial advantage, but leave the market to figure out the how. Companies that are efficient and clean flourish, companies that can't keep up don't.

    Not every goal works as a free market operation.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

  5. #105
    Sage


    Join Date
    Feb 2013
    Location
    SW Virginia
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 05:19 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    18,267

    Re: Obama administration to announce controversial emissions cap on power plants

    I'm going to start buying coal and burning it in an open pit in the back yard to make up for the CO2 losses we're about to experience. I know, I know. Just trying to do my part.

  6. #106
    Professor

    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 01:59 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    1,617

    Re: Obama administration to announce controversial emissions cap on power plants

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    Even the US Chamber of Commerce, which is a Republican think tank, doesn't make such extravagant claims. They say it'll cost the US economy $50 billion a year; compared to a $15 trillion annual GDP, that's nothing. Spare us the hyperbole.
    It also get more intresting compared to 2 trillion cost of the Iraq war. USA oil dependency was a reason that a least made the war favoriable. Also that would have happen with Al Quaide if they didn't have the funding from rich Saudarabian who got the money from selling oil to USA. Also the Saudarabi money also got to radical muslim schools in Pakistan, that help the Taliban recruting. Also maybe the gulf war and a lot of other messy and costly thing hadn't have happen in the middleeast if USA and the world wasn't that dependent on oil.

    Iraq war costs U.S. more than $2 trillion: study | Reuters

  7. #107
    Professor
    Dirt Racer's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    Location
    Illinois
    Last Seen
    02-19-16 @ 10:23 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    1,747

    Re: Obama administration to announce controversial emissions cap on power plants

    I will admit upfront that I did not read all of the posts in this thread. That said here is my input. I work in this market and we have already seen an impact in my area of the closing and converting of coal plants. Electric rates last fall were running in the .0400 cent range per kWh. Since then rates have been on a steady rise and are now sitting at the high .050 range and climbing. That is in the downstate Illinois area. ComEd rates went from .054 range to mid .070 range and climbing. With this new batch of news I expect rates to continue their climb back towards the rates we witnessed when deregulation was introduced in the state.

    These rates will continue to rise as the coal plants are closed or converted to NG. The shortage of plants as well as cost to cover the conversion of the remaining plants will be and has been passed on to users. Couple this with Liquid Nat Gas being sent out of the states in huge shipments for the first time in our history, and you have huge increases on the way. This brutal winter we just went through didn't help either.

    Additionally look for NG prices to climb as we find more ways to use up the supply we had. That 100 year surplus will surely be depleted at a record pace as we find new ways to use it.

    My advice to folks in this area and everywhere else, budget for an increase. It may not happen tomorrow but it's def coming.

  8. #108
    Banned
    Join Date
    Sep 2012
    Location
    Chicago
    Last Seen
    10-30-14 @ 12:38 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    7,908

    Re: Obama administration to announce controversial emissions cap on power plants

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Obama administration to announce controversial emissions cap on power plants | Fox News


    He's been talking about the war on coal for some time, now it's going into affect.
    The guy is an economic terrorist... This doesn't set a cap on anything but wealth and puts the control of energy in the hands of the government.

  9. #109
    Sage
    Boo Radley's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Last Seen
    11-22-17 @ 04:22 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    36,858

    Re: Obama administration to announce controversial emissions cap on power plants

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    225k jobs lost ..... cut 30% emissions by 2030. Stretching out that decade thought process huh? One thing is for certain.....we will have to flip over anything Obama touched once we take the Presidency in 2016. Anything he touched and removing all who are associated to him.
    Just a reminder, most of Carter's efforts stuck.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

  10. #110
    Paying To Play
    AJiveMan's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2014
    Location
    wisconSIN
    Last Seen
    05-15-15 @ 04:04 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    5,775

    Re: Obama administration to announce controversial emissions cap on power plants

    Good. The EPA needs to also crack down on power plants that pollute;

    We Energies will be required to pay $50,000 in penalties and forfeitures to settle allegations that the utility’s natural gas-fired power plant in Kenosha County violated air pollution regulations.
    State, We Energies settle Kenosha County power plant pollution case - JSOnline

    WE Energies is buying up property like it's going out of style on Caledonia, WI, they buy land, tear down building structures and then dump coal ash upon the newly purchased lands, the runoff from rains cause water pollution.

    We Energies quietly buying up sites near Oak Creek plant

Page 11 of 13 FirstFirst ... 910111213 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •