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Obama administration to announce controversial emissions cap on power plants

Hello my name is Barak Obama, I'm here for your Coal, your Wood Stoves, Your Natural Gas Pipelines, your oil rigs & oh your prices will necessarily skyrocket!
Again... The plans are pretty flexible, and give the states a great deal of latitude. NG will almost certainly be acceptable. And no, no one is going to ban wood stoves.


You can still use cleean energy of course but the price to manufacture the solar panel will go up because of the emissions it will cause....
Sorry, wrong. The price of solar has been dropping steadily since the 1970s. The more renewables we develop and use, the more economies of scale will kick in, and the more efficient the units become.


of course you'll only get "some" energy when the sun shines
How to Use Solar Energy at Night - Scientific American


IMO the people behind this Global warming scam are some of the most ruthless greedy bastards this country has ever produced. Look at Algore as one example.
Please. Look at the Fortune 500. Exxon Mobil = #2, Chevron is #3, Phillips #6, Valero #10, Marathon #25, Conoco #47, Occidental #116.... And let's not forget how BP handled its recent massive oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico. The idea that it's the renewable investors and companies who are the "greedy bastards" is a patently absurd claim.


So then when the price to heat your home is so high you have to resort to burning wood to keep from freezing do we then see the EPA send a Gestapo team to come & rip the stove out of your wall? Maybe now you can see why these Federal Gestapo teams are arming up. They dont expect people will willfully go along with all this crap.
Even the US Chamber of Commerce, which is a Republican think tank, doesn't make such extravagant claims. They say it'll cost the US economy $50 billion a year; compared to a $15 trillion annual GDP, that's nothing. Spare us the hyperbole.
 
Its all about destroying america period.

Life must be so much simpler when you can just believe the other guy is a comic book villain instead of actually responding to the arguments presented.
 
On CO2, the right wingers had their chance. They had ample opportunity to get on board with a market-based solution, modeled after the system used to reduce lead content in gasoline and sulfur dioxide emissions.
If it were truly a "market-based solution," why do we need politicians to "get on board?"

"Get out of the way" seems more appropriate.
 
If it were truly a "market-based solution," why do we need politicians to "get on board?"

"Get out of the way" seems more appropriate.

Environmental protection requires the force of law, because the market has no financial incentive to that end. It is always faster, easier, and cheaper to just dump whatever I want wherever I want. This gives me a competitive edge over those who would behave more responsibly. It is particularly true of air pollution, there simply isn't a mechanism for the public to redress harm caused by those emissions. A lawsuit isn't going to do it, you can't prove emissions from my facility caused you any harm.

In the system I am referring to, the government doesn't dictate what methods must be used to control emissions. Instead, they create a situation where cleaner operators gain a financial advantage, but leave the market to figure out the how. Companies that are efficient and clean flourish, companies that can't keep up don't.

Not every goal works as a free market operation.
 
I'm going to start buying coal and burning it in an open pit in the back yard to make up for the CO2 losses we're about to experience. I know, I know. Just trying to do my part.
 
Even the US Chamber of Commerce, which is a Republican think tank, doesn't make such extravagant claims. They say it'll cost the US economy $50 billion a year; compared to a $15 trillion annual GDP, that's nothing. Spare us the hyperbole.

It also get more intresting compared to 2 trillion cost of the Iraq war. USA oil dependency was a reason that a least made the war favoriable. Also that would have happen with Al Quaide if they didn't have the funding from rich Saudarabian who got the money from selling oil to USA. Also the Saudarabi money also got to radical muslim schools in Pakistan, that help the Taliban recruting. Also maybe the gulf war and a lot of other messy and costly thing hadn't have happen in the middleeast if USA and the world wasn't that dependent on oil.

Iraq war costs U.S. more than $2 trillion: study | Reuters
 
I will admit upfront that I did not read all of the posts in this thread. That said here is my input. I work in this market and we have already seen an impact in my area of the closing and converting of coal plants. Electric rates last fall were running in the .0400 cent range per kWh. Since then rates have been on a steady rise and are now sitting at the high .050 range and climbing. That is in the downstate Illinois area. ComEd rates went from .054 range to mid .070 range and climbing. With this new batch of news I expect rates to continue their climb back towards the rates we witnessed when deregulation was introduced in the state.

These rates will continue to rise as the coal plants are closed or converted to NG. The shortage of plants as well as cost to cover the conversion of the remaining plants will be and has been passed on to users. Couple this with Liquid Nat Gas being sent out of the states in huge shipments for the first time in our history, and you have huge increases on the way. This brutal winter we just went through didn't help either.

Additionally look for NG prices to climb as we find more ways to use up the supply we had. That 100 year surplus will surely be depleted at a record pace as we find new ways to use it.

My advice to folks in this area and everywhere else, budget for an increase. It may not happen tomorrow but it's def coming.
 
225k jobs lost :shock:..... cut 30% emissions by 2030. :roll: Stretching out that decade thought process huh? One thing is for certain.....we will have to flip over anything Obama touched once we take the Presidency in 2016. Anything he touched and removing all who are associated to him.

Just a reminder, most of Carter's efforts stuck.
 
Good. The EPA needs to also crack down on power plants that pollute;

We Energies will be required to pay $50,000 in penalties and forfeitures to settle allegations that the utility’s natural gas-fired power plant in Kenosha County violated air pollution regulations.

State, We Energies settle Kenosha County power plant pollution case - JSOnline

WE Energies is buying up property like it's going out of style on Caledonia, WI, they buy land, tear down building structures and then dump coal ash upon the newly purchased lands, the runoff from rains cause water pollution.

We Energies quietly buying up sites near Oak Creek plant
 
The guy is an economic terrorist... This doesn't set a cap on anything but wealth and puts the control of energy in the hands of the government.

I suppose you prefer pollution dumped in your yard.
 
I suppose you prefer pollution dumped in your yard.

No, I just know the government is bull**** and that democrats (and republicans as well) love to regulate the economy or attack certain industries through regulations, while people like you spew what you just spewed.

You think the government is looking out for your best interests?

If dumping nuclear waste in peoples backyards was fashionable the government would support it despite the fact nuclear waste is toxic.

These clowns aren't here to help you - they're in politics to pander to the idiots and keep their power base. They're textbook narcissists.
 
Wouldn't it be great if he announced an all out war on welfare leeches rather that coal. But they be his peoples...

Have you no compassion?
 
Wouldn't it be great if he announced an all out war on welfare leeches rather that coal. But they be his peoples...
Yesw, he could start with those very corporations first, since you're calling people leeches .
 
He's been talking about the war on coal for some time, now it's going into affect.
There is no war on coal.
There is a 5+ year war on Obama .
 
Yesw, he could start with those very corporations first, since you're calling people leeches .

You mean those corporations that actually hire and pay people who actually WANT TO WORK and STAY THE HELL OFF the WELFARE that I have to pay for?

Or are you speaking of those phony-ass corporations like Algore's carbon credit business? Where you can pay it forward (or backward) for emitting to GD much carbon dioxide into the atmosphere? Beside the fact that he only has one partner and NO FRIGGING EMPLOYEES?

Which is it?
 
The president is our countries worst enemy.
 
The president is our countries worst enemy.

When the guy spent 20 years sitting in a pew of the Reverend Jeremiah Wright's church and actually letting the good Rev officiate the wedding ceremony of himself and Michelle, then listening to that America hating SoB run down this country in the subsequent exposè, how, in good faith, could anybody vote for Obama in 2012?

answer: he gives me free money to exist on, pays my rent, gets me free cell phones and service, free doctors for my kids' snotty noses and all kinds of ****. And I don't have to work. I can just sit on my fat lazy ass all day, watch TV and eat junk food.
 
No, I just know the government is bull**** and that democrats (and republicans as well) love to regulate the economy or attack certain industries through regulations, while people like you spew what you just spewed.

You think the government is looking out for your best interests?

If dumping nuclear waste in peoples backyards was fashionable the government would support it despite the fact nuclear waste is toxic.

These clowns aren't here to help you - they're in politics to pander to the idiots and keep their power base. They're textbook narcissists.

Yes, keep on copping out of real argument. Spamming "GOVERNMENT BAD" is not an argument in favor of carbon emissions.
 
Yesw, he could start with those very corporations first, since you're calling people leeches .

Wow, how absolutely intelligent you show yourself to be while in this thread, you talk about corporate welfare, when if you bothered to look at this at all you would know that this is the mother of corporate welfare, crony capitalism boondoggles...Way to go!

Deuce said:
Yes, keep on copping out of real argument. Spamming "GOVERNMENT BAD" is not an argument in favor of carbon emissions.

Obama and liberal progressives should do their part for carbon emissions, and close their pie holes....Yet here we have another example of a liberal progressive that doesn't even know the basics of what this will do for the emissions of carbon into the globes atmosphere. Since the hard working people of Ohio, Kentucky, W. Va, and all the other coal producing states that are getting hammered by this bad governance can't sell their product here in a country that will take care to burn it in responsible ways, it will end up on the global market where more 3rd world countries, and places like China will snap it up to burn in less high tech plants, and in the end wind up spewing even more emissions into the atmosphere than if they would have allowed it to be possible to keep it here.

Not to mention how this is going to absolutely hammer the middle class, and the poor in terms of monthly energy bills, taking that money out of the economy....You guys are real genius I tell ya....:roll:
 
This is brilliant strategy. While this drives up the cost of electricity and oil, we will still be sitting on a pile of coal either selling it all to the Third World for their power plants or we can change the law and start using coal here again.
 
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