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    Re: King Juan Carlos of Spain abdicates

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    That's a massive generalisation. I'd say that Spain has always been deeply divided over the matter, dating back to Napoleonic times and the Constitution of Cádiz of 1812, which expressly diminished the role of the monarchy. ¡Viva la Pepa! Since then, a country that has already had 2 republics cannot be said to be totally committed to the concept of monarchy.
    And yet Juan Carlos was hugely popular until his recent scandals... because of how he stood up to the Franco forces in the early 80s.

    Nonsense. The heart of the anti-monarchy, anti-establishment movement are young people under 35 who have no affiliation to the old republican movement, but who see the current semi-democratic, neo-liberal state as having failed them and as having no intention of permitting popular sovereignty and real democratic rule in Spain. As I posted earlier, you've got a growing 40%+ of Spaniards who are anti-monarchist. You might dismiss them, but you won't make them go away as long as the corrupt system continues to fail the country, and especially its youth.
    And I would say it is more anti-establishment than anti-monarchy. There is no doubt that there is a debate going on.. do you want a Monarchy with all the promt and stuff that comes with it, or an elected President with no power but just a figure head. I would always choose a Monarchy since that will attract tourist money where as few "Presidents" do.... and the fact that Presidents often cost far more to run than royal families ironically.
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    Re: King Juan Carlos of Spain abdicates

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    And I would say it is more anti-establishment than anti-monarchy. There is no doubt that there is a debate going on.. do you want a Monarchy with all the promt and stuff that comes with it, or an elected President with no power but just a figure head. I would always choose a Monarchy since that will attract tourist money where as few "Presidents" do.... and the fact that Presidents often cost far more to run than royal families ironically.
    Well, the Spanish monarchy doesn't operate with more than a fraction of the pomp of other monarchies, or indeed many republics. The French and American presidents have far more regalia attached. I don't really think that JC and co. bring in any appreciable tourist business. If I had to choose, I'd choose a figurehead, non-political HoS along the lines of Ireland or Germany, separating out HoS and HoG functions and disallowing political party involvement in the election. Failing that, a con-mon seems preferable to a presidential system in which the two functions are combined.

    I agree that the anti-monarchy issue is totally bound up in the anti-establishment movement and is of lesser importance than breaking up the corrupt Spanish political oligarchy. The trouble is for the monarchy that JC and the recent corruption scandals have shown the institution of the monarchy to be an indistinguishable element of that oligarchy, hence they should go too, IMHO.
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    Re: King Juan Carlos of Spain abdicates

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    I've never really coveted one of those long, aristocratic monickers. I always wished that I'd been given a weird name, like Slartibartfarst, or Zaphod Beeblebrox or Rasd-Coduresa Diziet Embless Sma da' Marenhide.
    Or any of these:

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    Re: King Juan Carlos of Spain abdicates

    I don't understand why any nation, but especially sophisticated ones like Holland, the UK and Spain, tolerate the continued existence of royalty. Even if the royals have little or no power, they are a waste of money and resources and are an insult to the concept of (representational) democracy.

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    Re: King Juan Carlos of Spain abdicates

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    I don't understand why any nation, but especially sophisticated ones like Holland, the UK and Spain, tolerate the continued existence of royalty. Even if the royals have little or no power, they are a waste of money and resources and are an insult to the concept of (representational) democracy.
    You'd think so, wouldn't you? But there you are.
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    Re: King Juan Carlos of Spain abdicates

    Spain is an awesome place. I studied Spanish there for a year at Universidad de Salamanca. Amazing architecture, Roman aqueducts etc

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