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    Re: King Juan Carlos of Spain abdicates

    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Dave View Post
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    This being Granada there have already been massive demonstrations about this, you would think people would have other priorities and this point in time
    You're still in Graná? I had no idea.

    I think that this issue just provides a focus for all those other issues and priorities. I don't think anyone hates the King, but the monarchy represents the current, broken, anti-democratic status quo. People are sick of corrupt officials, corrupt politicians, and corrupt royals - it's all part of the package.
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    Re: King Juan Carlos of Spain abdicates

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    You know, I had all but forgotten Spain still had a King.
    Yeah, we're not accustom to that here. Of course England still has a queen.
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    The country is not blessed with a great monarchy, the monarchy they had was handpicked by dictator Franco to take over for him. There are several groups in Spain who want more autonomy and I think there is going to be a vocal anti-monarchy movement.

    I think it would be best for Spain to make it's own mind up, have a referendum on the monarchy. The people will then decide whether or not it should go, the Spanish monarchy does not have the heritage that the English, Dutch, Danish, Swedish royal families have.

    Personally I am happy to see the old king go because I did not like him that much.
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    Re: King Juan Carlos of Spain abdicates

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    Re: King Juan Carlos of Spain abdicates

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    The country is not blessed with a great monarchy, the monarchy they had was handpicked by dictator Franco to take over for him. There are several groups in Spain who want more autonomy and I think there is going to be a vocal anti-monarchy movement.
    There already is one. Last night there were big demonstrations in almost every one of Spain's 48 provincial capitals, with over 100,000 people calling for a vote on whether to continue as a monarchy, or become a republic for the 3rd time in history. Of course, the mainstream political parties won't permit any such vote.

    I think it would be best for Spain to make it's own mind up, have a referendum on the monarchy. The people will then decide whether or not it should go, the Spanish monarchy does not have the heritage that the English, Dutch, Danish, Swedish royal families have.
    Well, Spain isn't really that democratic.

    Personally I am happy to see the old king go because I did not like him that much.
    I don't think he was THAT bad, but made some major, major errors in recent years. What has surprised me about the corruption allegations is that people are surprised that the royals should have engaged in such practices. It's more unbelievable to me that people would think that they wouldn't. It's been the standard practice of monarchs throughout history to bleed their people dry while living in unearned luxury.
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    Re: King Juan Carlos of Spain abdicates

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    There already is one. Last night there were big demonstrations in almost every one of Spain's 48 provincial capitals, with over 100,000 people calling for a vote on whether to continue as a monarchy, or become a republic for the 3rd time in history. Of course, the mainstream political parties won't permit any such vote.
    I know, I live in the Netherlands and it was a subject of newspapers and the television news shows that there was a big demonstration.

    I know, I think both political parties do not want a president of the opposing side taking office and having some degree of power.

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    Well, Spain isn't really that democratic.
    You would know that better than me. I bow to your superior knowledge to that.

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    I don't think he was THAT bad, but made some major, major errors in recent years. What has surprised me about the corruption allegations is that people are surprised that the royals should have engaged in such practices. It's more unbelievable to me that people would think that they wouldn't. It's been the standard practice of monarchs throughout history to bleed their people dry while living in unearned luxury.
    I am not saying that he was that bad, I just did not think he was that personable (from what I have seen on Dutch royalty shows).

    Yes, monarchs do have often enriched themselves at the cost of the people. Thank goodness that time is largely done, there is public oversight and that means that people in royal families that are not that wealthy will lie, steal and cheat to get what they think is due to them.
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    Re: King Juan Carlos of Spain abdicates

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    I wish that was my name.
    I've never really coveted one of those long, aristocratic monickers. I always wished that I'd been given a weird name, like Slartibartfarst, or Zaphod Beeblebrox or Rasd-Coduresa Diziet Embless Sma da' Marenhide.
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    Re: King Juan Carlos of Spain abdicates

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    Re: King Juan Carlos of Spain abdicates

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    The country is not blessed with a great monarchy, the monarchy they had was handpicked by dictator Franco to take over for him.
    Actually that is not exactly true. Spain has always been pro-royalist and Juan Carlos is decedent of the former King before the 1931 republic... his son to be exact.

    There are several groups in Spain who want more autonomy and I think there is going to be a vocal anti-monarchy movement.
    Of course there are groups who want more autonomy.. thanks to Franco. And as for the anti-monarchy movement, well those are left overs from the old republic days and left wing/communist tendencies.

    I think it would be best for Spain to make it's own mind up, have a referendum on the monarchy. The people will then decide whether or not it should go, the Spanish monarchy does not have the heritage that the English, Dutch, Danish, Swedish royal families have.
    Actually it does..

    Personally I am happy to see the old king go because I did not like him that much.
    Me too but mostly because he is of the older generation which simply do not work in a modern world. But I will always respect him for what he did when the pro Franco military happened after Franco´s death.
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    Re: King Juan Carlos of Spain abdicates

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Actually that is not exactly true. Spain has always been pro-royalist
    That's a massive generalisation. I'd say that Spain has always been deeply divided over the matter, dating back to Napoleonic times and the Constitution of Cádiz of 1812, which expressly diminished the role of the monarchy. ¡Viva la Pepa! Since then, a country that has already had 2 republics cannot be said to be totally committed to the concept of monarchy.


    And as for the anti-monarchy movement, well those are left overs from the old republic days and left wing/communist tendencies.
    Nonsense. The heart of the anti-monarchy, anti-establishment movement are young people under 35 who have no affiliation to the old republican movement, but who see the current semi-democratic, neo-liberal state as having failed them and as having no intention of permitting popular sovereignty and real democratic rule in Spain. As I posted earlier, you've got a growing 40%+ of Spaniards who are anti-monarchist. You might dismiss them, but you won't make them go away as long as the corrupt system continues to fail the country, and especially its youth.
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