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    Re: Cruz wins presidential straw poll at GOP summit

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    i think you are right - with or without a crystal ball. What they really need to overcome is this persistent anti-obama rhetoric. The middle of the road folks get it -the right hates obama. We have had years of hearing that they hate obama, obamacare, etc.

    Those all important middle of the road voters need to hear what the candidate is for - specifically - and what his plans are. Being against obama is not a plan. Being against obamacare is not a plan. I think until well thought out plans that have the possibility of passing (means working together) are put out there - the dems will remain in office.

    but of course, nothing will actually change in american politics until big business/unions etc are out of the back pocket of politicians.



    i agree.

    When do you think that's going to happen?

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    Re: Cruz wins presidential straw poll at GOP summit

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    That's all you got, Cruz is a dumbo? You are discredited, you did it to yourself. That's an asinine statement to make since he's nowhere close to stupid. You may not like him, but he isn't stupid. And he'd kick Hillary's ass in any debate.
    Well, it may be an asinine statement but it's true. he's a dumbass. a dumbo. He has no leadership skills, no intellectual capacity for governance and he's toxic. He did an idiotic shutdown of the govt and now he denies he played a part in it. It's like he doesn't know that video recordings exist. He has no balls either to at least stand up for what turned out to be an unpopular move.

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    Re: Cruz wins presidential straw poll at GOP summit

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    I don't have a crystal ball, but it's obvious to me that the Democratic party is likely to control the White House for a long time.
    The electoral math favors the Democrats big time today whereas in the 80's it favored the Republicans. So choosing the right candidate to run in 2016 is more important than ever. I do not think Cruz is that candidate. His favorable/unfavorable ratings is at 23% favorable, 31% unfavorable. With 46% of the electorate undecided Cruz could turn this around. But compare Cruz to Hillary in the favorable/unfavorable 49% ratings: 49% favorable, 45% unfavorable. But unlike Cruz, she has no wiggle room for improvement.

    But back to the electoral math, Cruz is from Texas, a solid Republican state which almost any GOP candidate is going to carry. Now Jeb Bush should be able to deliver Florida, a must win swing state for any Republican to have a chance of winning in 2016. I do not think Curz could appeal to enough independents to do that in Florida. Another thing to remember, due to the large Democratic Party base, any Republican candidate must win approximately 55% of the independent vote. I do not see Cruz doing this either.
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    Re: Cruz wins presidential straw poll at GOP summit

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Cruz for president and Rand for vice president would be a pretty good ticket.
    That would be fine with me. Any room for Palin in that for a three way ticket? Or perhaps just Paul & Palin. The grade school kids would love that - "vote for PP".
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    Re: Cruz wins presidential straw poll at GOP summit

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Who does the GOP have that can beat Hillary?
    It can be done, Hillary's approval rating among independent voters is on the minus side, 44% to 48%. So we are back to the right candidate, it took an Eisenhower to put a stop to 5 consecutive presidential wins by the Democrats back in 1952. It will probably take someone of that stature to off set the Democratic electoral math advantage in 2016. Who that might be is anyone's guess.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Cruz wins presidential straw poll at GOP summit

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    The electoral math favors the Democrats big time today whereas in the 80's it favored the Republicans. So choosing the right candidate to run in 2016 is more important than ever. I do not think Cruz is that candidate. His favorable/unfavorable ratings is at 23% favorable, 31% unfavorable. With 46% of the electorate undecided Cruz could turn this around. But compare Cruz to Hillary in the favorable/unfavorable 49% ratings: 49% favorable, 45% unfavorable. But unlike Cruz, she has no wiggle room for improvement.

    But back to the electoral math, Cruz is from Texas, a solid Republican state which almost any GOP candidate is going to carry.
    Now Jeb Bush should be able to deliver Florida, a must win swing state for any Republican to have a chance of winning in 2016.
    I do not think Curz could appeal to enough independents to do that in Florida. Another thing to remember, due to the large Democratic Party base, any Republican candidate must win approximately 55% of the independent vote. I do not see Cruz doing this either.



    I will be surprised if the GOP is able to win in Florida in 2016, I believe that the demographics there don't favor the GOP.

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    Re: Cruz wins presidential straw poll at GOP summit

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    I think you are right - with or without a crystal ball. What they really need to overcome is this persistent anti-Obama rhetoric. The middle of the road folks get it -the RIght hates Obama. We have had years of hearing that they hate Obama, Obamacare, etc.

    Those all important middle of the road voters need to hear what the candidate is for - specifically - and what his plans are. Being against Obama is not a plan. Being against Obamacare is not a plan. I think until well thought out plans that have the possibility of passing (means working together) are put out there - the Dems will remain in office.

    But of course, nothing will actually change in American politics until Big Business/Unions etc are out of the back pocket of politicians.
    The Dems... the party of Big Unions?
    Climate, changes. It takes a particularly uneducated population to buy into the idea that it's their fault climate is changing and further political solutions can fix it.



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    Re: Cruz wins presidential straw poll at GOP summit

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    It can be done, Hillary's approval rating among independent voters is on the minus side, 44% to 48%. So we are back to the right candidate, it took an Eisenhower to put a stop to 5 consecutive presidential wins by the Democrats back in 1952. It will probably take someone of that stature to off set the Democratic electoral math advantage in 2016. Who that might be is anyone's guess.
    I suspect you are correct - I really do not think it will be Hillary. Who it will be is anybody's guess right now. But I expect that a variety of factors - demographic, personal and political will all combine to take her out of the race.

    On the GOP side I fully expect a hard right candidate to win - maybe Paul - and we see a repeat of the Goldwater debacle of 64 up and down the ticket from coast to coast with a few obvious exceptions in between where even far right wing crazy will still sell.
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    Re: Cruz wins presidential straw poll at GOP summit

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    That would be fine with me. Any room for Palin in that for a three way ticket?
    Or perhaps just Paul & Palin.
    The grade school kids would love that - "vote for PP".



    Paul and Palin sounds good to me.

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    Re: Cruz wins presidential straw poll at GOP summit

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Who does the GOP have that can beat Hillary?
    Not someone from the tea party that's for sure.

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