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    Re: Cruz wins presidential straw poll at GOP summit

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Who cares?

    Both parties are staggeringly corrupt and/or ignorant.

    Whomever wins in 2016 (from either party), they will make the country much worse during their term.

    When will the ignorant masses wake up...probably when it's too late.
    What really matters is the we maintain the gridlock. Heaven forbid we get one party everywhere.

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    Re: Cruz wins presidential straw poll at GOP summit

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Straw polls are a pretty bad indicator of future nominees. They tend to be held at events that draw the True Believers. The moderate Republicans (or Dems) who generally decide primaries don't get a say in those. In fact, at some straw polls, a vote in the poll is contingent on a donation. I pay them no heed.

    From the linked story:



    So 500 people of the 1,500 present were allowed to vote, and paid for the privilege. Small sample size, skewed poll base ... meaningless.
    Didn't Ron Paul win many straw polls as well? Didn't turn out too be much hope for him either.

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    Re: Cruz wins presidential straw poll at GOP summit

    Quote Originally Posted by fmw View Post
    What really matters is the we maintain the gridlock. Heaven forbid we get one party everywhere.
    Which simply means that we keep feeding a huge and expensive federal nanny state that gets little done.
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    Re: Cruz wins presidential straw poll at GOP summit

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Which simply means that we keep feeding a huge and expensive federal nanny state that gets little done.
    Better than growing it even more.

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    Re: Cruz wins presidential straw poll at GOP summit

    Quote Originally Posted by fmw View Post
    Better than growing it even more.
    It grows itself with "mandatory" spending and all sorts of "crisis" and "emergency" additions to the continuing resolutions which have apparently replaced the need for a "budget".
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    Re: Cruz wins presidential straw poll at GOP summit

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    Cruz is a dumbo.
    Dr. Carson is discredited.

    Too much political ammo against them.
    Don't get me wrong, their base and a lot of the tea party will vote for them. So say, that gives them 30-35% of the vote. But the independents won't vote for them and I think republicans who don't hate government won't vote for them.
    Carson may have a better chance than Cruz because he didn't shut down the government due to stupidity but he has showed himself to be a utterly defunct from a mental standpoint. He said a whole lot of BS about obamacare... said that Lenin was for socialized medicine because it was the arc on which socialism stands or some crap like that which Lenin never said. And that's just 1 example of many.


    The problem with straw polls is that they show which candidate is more appealing to their base. And that's not what the republicans need. You have the base. get people who are not in your base. The independents and those confused.
    That's all you got, Cruz is a dumbo? You are discredited, you did it to yourself. That's an asinine statement to make since he's nowhere close to stupid. You may not like him, but he isn't stupid. And he'd kick Hillary's ass in any debate.
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    "Fly-over" country voted, and The Donald is now POTUS.

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    Re: Cruz wins presidential straw poll at GOP summit

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    Cruz is a dumbo.
    Dr. Carson is discredited...
    My take on the top 3 potential candidates from the straw poll outcome:

    1. Senator Cruz: He is bright (his educational record is not that of someone who is intellectually-challenged), but lightly experienced. His lack of experience was most pronounced when he was ready to push the proverbial economic nuclear button by trying to block a debt ceiling increase in a battle he simply could not have won. There was no real strategy in place and no contingency for the White House's only possible approach (rejection of the ACA-related demands). In the end, the battle was lost. If he spends the next year or two carving out at least some tangible achievements and becoming familiar with the nation's domestic and foreign policy issues, that would help him.

    2. Ben Carson: A possible 2016 Herman Cain-type candidate. Out of his league. He has no leadership or governance experience (state or national/legislative or executive levels). He has had no exposure to foreign policy or foreign leaders. Not a serious contender if he somehow makes it through the GOP primary process. Would represent a wild and reckless throw of the proverbial dice.

    3. Senator Paul: Not the complete neo-isolationist that his father is. Has tried to claim the Realist foreign policy mantle, but would be out of place among prominent Realists i.e., Robert Gates, Brent Scowcroft, etc. The big question concerns whether he can evolve into developing a coherent and credible domestic and foreign policy vision and then whether he can rebrand the "Paul" reputation, which has largely been defined by his father's vision. Another question concerns whether he can demonstrate an ability to govern, which requires trade-offs and compromises, something his father showed no inclination to do. His strongest point is his support of civil liberties protections. Right now, he would still be out of the GOP mainstream and would probably wind up losing the nomination and would very likely be uncompetitive in a national race.

    In any case, straw polls are inherently bad indicators. They are not representative nor scientific in nature.

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    Re: Cruz wins presidential straw poll at GOP summit

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Which simply means that we keep feeding a huge and expensive federal nanny state that gets little done.
    Ted Cruz would be no different for all his "small government" claims...he would no solution...correct?


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    Re: Cruz wins presidential straw poll at GOP summit

    Quote Originally Posted by 1750Texan View Post
    Ted Cruz would be no different for all his "small government" claims...he would no solution...correct?
    He may want a smaller federal gov't role but has little control over what our congress critters actually pass. The POTUS can only veto bills but cannot independently make the law.
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    Re: Cruz wins presidential straw poll at GOP summit

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    He may want a smaller federal gov't role but has little control over what our congress critters actually pass. The POTUS can only veto bills but cannot independently make the law.
    Thanks for affirming that the "smaller govenment" schtick is bogus.


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