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Bowe Bergdahl, U.S. soldier held in Afghanistan, freed in swap

If that is the case.

Well it certainly has been the case in his administration of Obamacare as again and again he has arbitrarily changed the law Congress passed and he signed into law. And the law is very clear that Congress is to be notified 30 days in advance of any release of any prisoner from GITMO. He certainly ignored that law.
 
Just as a note.

There's no "false" accusation of breaking the law here.

Obama is not the SCOTUS. Obama has zero power to declare something is or isn't unconstitutional and to actually make it so. He signed the bill that the congress pass, which means it IS LAW. It is the law until it's repealed or struck down by the SCOTUS. So if he's violating that law, an accusation that he's "breaking the law" is not "false". Obama is not all powerful, and the executive branch does not have the power to just declare the law as "not the law". He can disagree that it's constitutional and ignore it...but in doing so he'd still be ignoring THE LAW. He, and you, may think it's just to ignore it because you BELIEVE it to be unconstitutional...but until it's ruled as such it IS the law.


That's very naïve and misinformed.


Read and learn.....


"....A President that places the statutory law over the constitutional law in this instance would fail in his duty faithfully to execute the laws. The principle is equally sound where the Supreme Court has yet to rule on an issue, but the President has determined that a statutory law violates the Constitution.

To say that the principle is not equally sound in this context is to deny the President's independent responsibility to interpret and uphold the Constitution. It is to leave the defense of the Constitution only to two, not three, of the branches of our government. See United States v. Verdugo-Urquidez, 494 U.S. 259, 274 (1990) (“The Members of the Executive and Legislative Branches are sworn to uphold the Constitution, and they presumably desire to follow its commands.”); Webster v. Doe, 486 U.S. 592, 613 (1988) (Scalia, J., dissenting) (“Members of Congress and the supervising officers of the Executive Branch take the same oath to uphold the Constitution that we do . . . .”).


Similarly, a surprising number of newly enacted statutes seek to require the approval of a congressional committee before execution of a law, despite well-settled Supreme Court precedent that such “legislative veto” provisions violate the Presentment and Bicameralism Clauses of the Constitution, art. I, § 7. See INS v. Chadha, 462 U.S. 919, 958 (1983)....

More than 20 years after that clearly controlling Supreme Court decision, unconstitutional legislative veto provisions remain so common that President Bush has had to raise the issue in approximately 55 of his 126 constitutional signing statements. See, e.g., Statement on Signing the Military Quality of Life and Veterans Affairs Appropriations Act, 41 Weekly Comp. Pres. Doc. 1799, 1799 (Nov. 30, 2005) (“The Constitution requires bicameral passage, and presentment to the President, of all congressional actions governing other branches, as the Supreme Court of the United States recognized in INS v. Chadha (1983), and thus prohibits conditioning executive branch action on the approval of congressional committees. ......"

http://www.justice.gov/olc/opiniondocs/presidential-signing-stmt.pdf

http://www.archives.gov/news/samuel...0-89-269-box6-SG-LSWG-AlitotoLSWG-Feb1986.pdf


Along with historic precedence going back to James Monroe, the SCOTUS has also ruled that the POTUS has the authority to "reasonably" interpret the constitutionality of a statute or law in order to execute the law. If you put some thought into it you'd realize the POTUS has to interpret the legislation so that he knows what he's signing into law...and once signed he still has to interpret a "new" law in order to execute it. doh!!!!


The SCOTUS also ruled that signing statements that challenge the constitutionality of the law were totally legal. Ergo, Obama was perfectly within his authority to challenge the constitutionality of a law in a signing statement and in it to inform congress if and how he intends to execute the law.

As stated above, it is unconstitutional and violates the separation of powers for congress to legislate that a president must get a congressional committees approval before he can execute a law.....and that is exactly what congress tried to do in the defense budget bill when they legislated that he give congress 30 day notice so they could approve or deny the transfer of military prisoners to a foreign country. That directly violated the presidents authority to negotiate with foreign countries to exchange prisoners as the war comes to end.
 
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I am glad the guy is free.

But...if the Taliban are terrorists and the U.S. Government says it will not negotiate with terrorists...then why are they negotiating with the Taliban?
Or is the whole 'we will not negotiate with terrorists' thing out the window now?

Also, what happens if these five ex-detainees go on to kill Americans...was it still worth it?
 
That's very naïve and misinformed.


Read and learn.....


"....A President that places the statutory law over the constitutional law in this instance would fail in his duty faithfully to execute the laws. The principle is equally sound where the Supreme Court has yet to rule on an issue, but the President has determined that a statutory law violates the Constitution.

To say that the principle is not equally sound in this context is to deny the President's independent responsibility to interpret and uphold the Constitution. It is to leave the defense of the Constitution only to two, not three, of the branches of our government. See United States v. Verdugo-Urquidez, 494 U.S. 259, 274 (1990) (“The Members of the Executive and Legislative Branches are sworn to uphold the Constitution, and they presumably desire to follow its commands.”); Webster v. Doe, 486 U.S. 592, 613 (1988) (Scalia, J., dissenting) (“Members of Congress and the supervising officers of the Executive Branch take the same oath to uphold the Constitution that we do . . . .”).


Similarly, a surprising number of newly enacted statutes seek to require the approval of a congressional committee before execution of a law, despite well-settled Supreme Court precedent that such “legislative veto” provisions violate the Presentment and Bicameralism Clauses of the Constitution, art. I, § 7. See INS v. Chadha, 462 U.S. 919, 958 (1983)....

More than 20 years after that clearly controlling Supreme Court decision, unconstitutional legislative veto provisions remain so common that President Bush has had to raise the issue in approximately 55 of his 126 constitutional signing statements. See, e.g., Statement on Signing the Military Quality of Life and Veterans Affairs Appropriations Act, 41 Weekly Comp. Pres. Doc. 1799, 1799 (Nov. 30, 2005) (“The Constitution requires bicameral passage, and presentment to the President, of all congressional actions governing other branches, as the Supreme Court of the United States recognized in INS v. Chadha (1983), and thus prohibits conditioning executive branch action on the approval of congressional committees. ......"

http://www.justice.gov/olc/opiniondocs/presidential-signing-stmt.pdf

http://www.archives.gov/news/samuel...0-89-269-box6-SG-LSWG-AlitotoLSWG-Feb1986.pdf


Along with historic precedence going back to James Monroe, the SCOTUS has also ruled that the POTUS has the authority to "reasonably" interpret the constitutionality of a statute or law in order to execute the law. If you put some thought into it you'd realize the POTUS has to interpret the legislation so that he knows what he's signing into law...and once signed he still has to interpret a "new" law in order to execute it. doh!!!!


The SCOTUS also ruled that signing statements that challenge the constitutionality of the law were totally legal. Ergo, Obama was perfectly within his authority to challenge the constitutionality of a law in a signing statement and in it to inform congress if and how he intends to execute the law.

As stated above, it is unconstitutional and violates the separation of powers for congress to legislate that a president must get a congressional committees approval before he can execute a law.....and that is exactly what congress tried to do in the defense budget bill when they legislated that he give congress 30 day notice so they could approve or deny the transfer of military prisoners to a foreign country. That directly violated the presidents authority to negotiate with foreign countries to exchange prisoners as the war comes to end.

So Obama signed a law he knew he woukd never abide by ?
 
So Obama signed a law he knew he woukd never abide by ?


Obama signed an Omnibus defense budget bill. Do know what that is, Fenton?

Omnibus bill - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



As a courtesy to congress, all presidents since James Monroe have used signing statements instead of vetoing an entire bill because of one paragraph and negating all the hard work that congress put into the rest of the bill. The president writes a signing statement on why a statute or paragraph in the law is unconstitutional and how or if he intends to execute the law to help make it constitutional and if it can't be then he has the authority to ignore it if he needs to because he took an oath to faithfully uphold the constitution. When in doubt about a law its always best to side with the Constitution.
 
I am glad the guy is free.

But...if the Taliban are terrorists and the U.S. Government says it will not negotiate with terrorists...then why are they negotiating with the Taliban?
Or is the whole 'we will not negotiate with terrorists' thing out the window now?

Also, what happens if these five ex-detainees go on to kill Americans...was it still worth it?

Public proclamations in front of the cameras that "we will not negotiate with terrorists" is what you call "Lip Service" :lol:
 
This guy at best is AWOL at worst is a traitor to this country.
 
I am glad the guy is free.

But...if the Taliban are terrorists and the U.S. Government says it will not negotiate with terrorists...then why are they negotiating with the Taliban?
Or is the whole 'we will not negotiate with terrorists' thing out the window now?

Also, what happens if these five ex-detainees go on to kill Americans...was it still worth it?

Well...the Taliban isn't designated a terrorist organization. So the President made a prisoner swap with an entity we are at war with.

As for the five ex-detainees going on to kill Americans...that's possible with any prisoner swap. At the end of the day we're leaving Afghanistan soon. If we leave and he's still there there's a good chance we're never getting him back
 
Well...the Taliban isn't designated a terrorist organization. So the President made a prisoner swap with an entity we are at war with.

The Haqqanni network is, and they are the ones we made the swap with.

As for the five ex-detainees going on to kill Americans...that's possible with any prisoner swap. At the end of the day we're leaving Afghanistan soon. If we leave and he's still there there's a good chance we're never getting him back

Yup.
 
Obama signed an Omnibus defense budget bill. Do know what that is, Fenton?

Omnibus bill - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
As a courtesy to congress, all presidents since James Monroe have used signing statements instead of vetoing an entire bill because of one paragraph and negating all the hard work that congress put into the rest of the bill. The president writes a signing statement on why a statute or paragraph in the law is unconstitutional and how or if he intends to execute the law to help make it constitutional and if it can't be then he has the authority to ignore it if he needs to because he took an oath to faithfully uphold the constitution. When in doubt about a law its always best to side with the Constitution.

:lol: I find it funny you are still defending him even after the White House has already admitted it was wrong.
 
Well...the Taliban isn't designated a terrorist organization. So the President made a prisoner swap with an entity we are at war with.

As for the five ex-detainees going on to kill Americans...that's possible with any prisoner swap. At the end of the day we're leaving Afghanistan soon. If we leave and he's still there there's a good chance we're never getting him back

Fine, they get a pass on a technicality.

State Department: Taliban is not a terrorist organization | The Daily Caller

And America is not at war with the Taliban. If they are, then where is the official declaration of war? Though there has been an official declaration of war on terror.

In my book, without an official declaration of war, then the enemy combatants are terrorists. Thus, the Taliban are terrorists. Thus, Obama negotiated with terrorists.

Enough to get him impeached? No. But enough to prove yet again that his word means nothing.

Obviously, you don't agree...so be it.

I believe this move will make American's lives overseas just that much less safe.
 
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Technically it was Qatar that handled the direct negotiations.

Which change the calculus of not negotiating with terrorists because that encourages them..... how?

That might be enough to narrowly avoid a conviction in a court of law (or it might not, negotiating through someone is still negotiating), but it changes the real-world math not at all.
 
The Haqqanni network is, and they are the ones we made the swap with.



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Where have you gotten that information? All I've seen mentioned is a Taliban delegation. One of the prisoners swapped had connections with the Haqqani network but all 5 were pretty much high ranking positions in the Taliban organizaiton.
 
Which change the calculus of not negotiating with terrorists because that encourages them..... how?

That might be enough to narrowly avoid a conviction in a court of law (or it might not, negotiating through someone is still negotiating), but it changes the real-world math not at all.

It is a risk but considering that the other options had far worse chances of succeeding, it is a dice roll.
 
Where have you gotten that information? All I've seen mentioned is a Taliban delegation. One of the prisoners swapped had connections with the Haqqani network but all 5 were pretty much high ranking positions in the Taliban organizaiton.

Check out where he was captured and where he was being held. That's Haqqanni territory.

Now, Haqqani officially fall under the Taliban, so they do what the TB tell them (generally. ish.), but they are designated a terrorist organization while the ole TB are not, and they were the ones holding him.


apparently it was even a point of worry

...U.S. officials had said this year that one route to getting Bergdahl back was through Qatari officials, who had been talking to the Taliban. But Bergdahl was believed to be held by operatives from the Haqqani network, an insurgent force affiliated with the Taliban and al Qaeda, and it was not clear whether Haqqani operatives would abide by any agreement among the United States, Qatar and the Taliban.
An Afghan Taliban commander, not authorized to speak to the media, confirmed to CNN that Bergdahl was captured by the Afghan Taliban with links to the Haqqani network in Pakistan. Over the years, the captive was transferred back and forth between Afghanistan and Pakistan....
 
It is a risk but considering that the other options had far worse chances of succeeding, it is a dice roll.

The other options being that we have now established an exchange ratio that will appeal to every single jihadist (or other illegal) organization who has members that we have sitting in a prison?

We negotiated with terrorists, and we gave them a huge win. We are going to regret teaching them that.
 
The other options being that we have now established an exchange ratio that will appeal to every single jihadist (or other illegal) organization who has members that we have sitting in a prison?

We negotiated with terrorists, and we gave them a huge win. We are going to regret teaching them that.

And what exactly were we doing with these five prisioners? Were they classified as criminals? P.o.ws?

What exactly was the status of these five Taliban members and what souls have been their fate?
 
Hopefully we'll prosecute this rat for what he is.

Obama wanted a distraction from the VA mess, and he accidentally rescued Benedict Arnold.
 
The WH has issued an apology. Gosh. I guess its all ok then, eh?
 
Obama signed an Omnibus defense budget bill. Do know what that is, Fenton?

Omnibus bill - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



As a courtesy to congress, all presidents since James Monroe have used signing statements instead of vetoing an entire bill because of one paragraph and negating all the hard work that congress put into the rest of the bill. The president writes a signing statement on why a statute or paragraph in the law is unconstitutional and how or if he intends to execute the law to help make it constitutional and if it can't be then he has the authority to ignore it if he needs to because he took an oath to faithfully uphold the constitution. When in doubt about a law its always best to side with the Constitution.

Sorry, but no one buys the " signing statement " mitigation.

Obama just "apologized" to top ranking Committee members for not informing them.

I'm curious as to why he felt they needed a apology.

He didn't do anything wrong, did he ?
 
And what exactly were we doing with these five prisioners? Were they classified as criminals? P.o.ws?

What exactly was the status of these five Taliban members and what souls have been their fate?

Keeping them from their almost guaranteed recidivism.

Keeping them from killing more Americans soldiers, Americam people , etc.
 
The Constitutions says the president has to execute the laws. Failing to do so is illegal. By your logic, do you still consider Bush a war criminal?

What a dumb question, she's a Bush hater. Of course she thinks he's a war criminal, as a minimum.
 
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