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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, U.S. soldier held in Afghanistan, freed in swap

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    So Obama signed a law he knew he woukd never abide by ?

    Obama signed an Omnibus defense budget bill. Do know what that is, Fenton?

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    As a courtesy to congress, all presidents since James Monroe have used signing statements instead of vetoing an entire bill because of one paragraph and negating all the hard work that congress put into the rest of the bill. The president writes a signing statement on why a statute or paragraph in the law is unconstitutional and how or if he intends to execute the law to help make it constitutional and if it can't be then he has the authority to ignore it if he needs to because he took an oath to faithfully uphold the constitution. When in doubt about a law its always best to side with the Constitution.

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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, U.S. soldier held in Afghanistan, freed in swap

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    I am glad the guy is free.

    But...if the Taliban are terrorists and the U.S. Government says it will not negotiate with terrorists...then why are they negotiating with the Taliban?
    Or is the whole 'we will not negotiate with terrorists' thing out the window now?

    Also, what happens if these five ex-detainees go on to kill Americans...was it still worth it?
    Public proclamations in front of the cameras that "we will not negotiate with terrorists" is what you call "Lip Service"

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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, U.S. soldier held in Afghanistan, freed in swap

    This guy at best is AWOL at worst is a traitor to this country.
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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, U.S. soldier held in Afghanistan, freed in swap

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    I am glad the guy is free.

    But...if the Taliban are terrorists and the U.S. Government says it will not negotiate with terrorists...then why are they negotiating with the Taliban?
    Or is the whole 'we will not negotiate with terrorists' thing out the window now?

    Also, what happens if these five ex-detainees go on to kill Americans...was it still worth it?
    Well...the Taliban isn't designated a terrorist organization. So the President made a prisoner swap with an entity we are at war with.

    As for the five ex-detainees going on to kill Americans...that's possible with any prisoner swap. At the end of the day we're leaving Afghanistan soon. If we leave and he's still there there's a good chance we're never getting him back
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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, U.S. soldier held in Afghanistan, freed in swap

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Well...the Taliban isn't designated a terrorist organization. So the President made a prisoner swap with an entity we are at war with.
    The Haqqanni network is, and they are the ones we made the swap with.

    As for the five ex-detainees going on to kill Americans...that's possible with any prisoner swap. At the end of the day we're leaving Afghanistan soon. If we leave and he's still there there's a good chance we're never getting him back
    Yup.

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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, U.S. soldier held in Afghanistan, freed in swap

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Obama signed an Omnibus defense budget bill. Do know what that is, Fenton?

    Omnibus bill - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    As a courtesy to congress, all presidents since James Monroe have used signing statements instead of vetoing an entire bill because of one paragraph and negating all the hard work that congress put into the rest of the bill. The president writes a signing statement on why a statute or paragraph in the law is unconstitutional and how or if he intends to execute the law to help make it constitutional and if it can't be then he has the authority to ignore it if he needs to because he took an oath to faithfully uphold the constitution. When in doubt about a law its always best to side with the Constitution.
    I find it funny you are still defending him even after the White House has already admitted it was wrong.

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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, U.S. soldier held in Afghanistan, freed in swap

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Well...the Taliban isn't designated a terrorist organization. So the President made a prisoner swap with an entity we are at war with.

    As for the five ex-detainees going on to kill Americans...that's possible with any prisoner swap. At the end of the day we're leaving Afghanistan soon. If we leave and he's still there there's a good chance we're never getting him back
    Fine, they get a pass on a technicality.

    State Department: Taliban is not a terrorist organization | The Daily Caller

    And America is not at war with the Taliban. If they are, then where is the official declaration of war? Though there has been an official declaration of war on terror.

    In my book, without an official declaration of war, then the enemy combatants are terrorists. Thus, the Taliban are terrorists. Thus, Obama negotiated with terrorists.

    Enough to get him impeached? No. But enough to prove yet again that his word means nothing.

    Obviously, you don't agree...so be it.

    I believe this move will make American's lives overseas just that much less safe.
    Last edited by DA60; 06-03-14 at 06:55 PM.

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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, U.S. soldier held in Afghanistan, freed in swap

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    The Haqqanni network is, and they are the ones we made the swap with.



    Yup.
    Technically it was Qatar that handled the direct negotiations.
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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, U.S. soldier held in Afghanistan, freed in swap

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Technically it was Qatar that handled the direct negotiations.
    Which change the calculus of not negotiating with terrorists because that encourages them..... how?

    That might be enough to narrowly avoid a conviction in a court of law (or it might not, negotiating through someone is still negotiating), but it changes the real-world math not at all.

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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, U.S. soldier held in Afghanistan, freed in swap

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    The Haqqanni network is, and they are the ones we made the swap with.



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    Where have you gotten that information? All I've seen mentioned is a Taliban delegation. One of the prisoners swapped had connections with the Haqqani network but all 5 were pretty much high ranking positions in the Taliban organizaiton.
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