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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, U.S. soldier held in Afghanistan, freed in swap

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    do you believe the fairy tale the the border between Syria and Iraq exists and is enforced? the WMDS are in Syria and being used by the same Baathist regime.. pretty well known stuff
    Sure Travis, and Popeye gets all his strength from a can of spinach.

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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, U.S. soldier held in Afghanistan, freed in swap

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    yup.. flood us with crisis's so we cant keep up with the destruction... Alinsky 101

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    Which is why the government is encouraging food stamps through advertising in America, Mexico and Central America. It should not be a surprise that all of these children, and 'parents', are now flooding the border. The trillions of dollars in debt will be well over $20 million, and unsustainable, by the time Obama is done. He is now ruling by presidential decree and it will be doubtful if America can ever recover.

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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, U.S. soldier held in Afghanistan, freed in swap

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    And the CIA was on the ground.
    What's sillier is you sitting here denying it. You're entitled to live in your own reality; it's still a free country.[/QUOTE]

    In other words, given YOUR definition, we've invaded almost every single nation on the planet, since we've got CIA agents in just about every single nation on the planet.

    And YOU are telling ME about "reality"?
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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, U.S. soldier held in Afghanistan, freed in swap

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    I'm not terribly surprised that you are unfamiliar with the attempted assassination of GHWB in Kuwait.
    WONDERFUL!!!! So since didn't invade Right Away, that made it okay for us to invade NINE YEARS LATER?

    ...in violation of UN sanctions. You really need to get a grasp.
    OMIGOSH!!!! They fired on coalition aircraft flying over their nation!!!! That OBVIOUSLY means that Saddam had nuclear weapons ready to launch!!!! INVADE!!!!!!! Spend TRILLIONS of dollars and thousands of lives, because Iraq FIRED on coalition aircraft flying over their nation!!!!!

    Gee, how stupidly unpatriotic I must be for not being willing - nay, EAGER - to spend trillions of American taxpayer dollars and thousands of American lives to keep Iraq from firing at coalition aircraft. I mean, that's REALLY unforgivable, unlike, say, when our destroyer blew up that Iranian airliner, or when the Soviets blew up KAL 007, or when the Soviets (allegedly - there's evidence for and against) torpedoed and sank the USS Scorpion with all hands.

    [QUOTE]That counterweight to Iran is responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths, mostly using material we supplied him in order to "counterweight" Iran. There comes a time when enough is enough. BTW, since your grasp on the history of the region is now suspect, are you aware of Desert Fox and the liberate Iraq act?

    Ah. So because I strongly disagree with you ("Invade them! They fired on coalition aircraft!"), my "grasp...is now suspect".

    So why didn't we invade Rwanda to stop the genocide there? Why didn't we invade Cambodia to stop the genocide there? Why didn't we invade China to stop the genocide there?

    And how is YOUR grasp of history, sir, if you really think that America has any history at all of invading nations to stop genocides? Hell, if you'll ask the Native Americans - and the Filipinos, for that matter ("Kill every Filipino male over the age of ten!"), WE are not exactly innocent when it comes to committing genocide.

    WAR, sir, should only be something undertaken against what are potentially existential threats...and even then, it should be avoided if the "cure" is worse than the threat (see: Mutually Assured Destruction doctrine). Otherwise, war is very, very expensive, in terms of blood and money. Counting all the interest we are paying and will pay in the coming years, we are quite literally spending TRILLIONS of American taxpayer dollars on the invasion of Iraq.

    and Billary voted for it.
    Based on the intel she was given by the Bush administration - which, of course, turned out to be false.
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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, U.S. soldier held in Afghanistan, freed in swap

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Listen here, guy, I don't give a rat's ass if you take me at my word or not. Nor do I give a rat's ass that he is legally innocent...at the moment. He's a deserter, and certainly not worth the risk of turning over 5 exceedingly bad actors, who most likely will cause more US and Afghani deaths. In violation of US law, and international law...considering two of them were under indictment for crimes against humanity.
    And once more you convict without hearing both sides of the story. So many times I dealt with people on board who Just Knew that this or that person was guilty of whatever, and wouldn't give the least consideration to the thought that maybe, just maybe there's another side of the story.

    Look, just like any other piece of human waste, if Bergdahl deserted, then screw him. BUT do you personally know whether he was receiving death threats from his fellow soldiers? Do you personally know whether his chain of command had been informed and ignored the report?

    Of course that's almost certainly NOT what happened...but WE DON'T KNOW. YOU don't know. And we won't know until we get HIS side of the story.

    THAT, senior, is why there's the AMERICAN tradition of "innocent until proven guilty". But I guess that only applies to people YOU personally approve of, and not to people YOU don't like.

    What's really stupid, Shipmate, is that this occurred. No-one was traded for Jessica Lynch, now, was there?
    And we did NOT go to get her until we KNEW exactly where she was...and even then, we didn't know where she was until an unidentified source from the hospital told us where she was at. Did we know exactly where Bergdahl was? Did we know which hovel or which cave or which shed behind the farmhouse he was in?

    What you are going to find out is that this is simply a ploy to divert attention from the other scandals of the day while emptying out gitmo. Guy, it doesn't take a genius, partisan or not, to see right through that patheticly amatuer smoke and mirror routine.
    Ah. So according to you, Obama KNEW where Bergdahl was, and had the deal all set to go...and told his people, "Let's wait on this and not make it happen until we need to distract from another scandal."

    Riiiiiiiight.
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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, U.S. soldier held in Afghanistan, freed in swap

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    You're right. They should move to an immediate article 32. Are you for that?
    I have no problem with that - as soon as he's declared psychologically able to stand trial (and it doesn't take much to be so declared), yes, he should. Desertion is a very serious crime.

    BUT until that day he is declared guilty, he is innocent. That is American judicial tradition...in both the civilian AND the military world.
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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, U.S. soldier held in Afghanistan, freed in swap

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    U.S. Boots on the Ground in Libya, Pentagon Confirms | Fox News
    Why is that particular term so important to you? The fact is that Libya was bombed, Qaddafi killed and, later, Americans were murdered and the place is now a mess. That is true of much of the ME under Obama's watch. It may be time to start asking the question as to whose side he really is on.
    OMIGOSH!!!! We INVADED Libya!!!! Never mind that it was a whopping FOUR military personnel - from your reference:

    Two of the military personnel are explosive-ordnance experts who will be used to disable any explosives traps left in the embassy. The other two are "general security,"

    Yes, these FOUR soldiers went about slaughtering all opposition against them! They took every hill, every building, rooted out every sewer on their quest to CONQUER Libya! All while they were looking for explosive traps left in our embassy...and the other two being "general security"...now it's a GREAT mystery why we would EVER want armed security in Libya (where there's this city called "Benghazi" - you may have heard of it).

    And if you'll recall, it's YOU who is insisting that we "invaded"...and all I'm doing is trying to help you to understand how ludicrous your claim is. And if you're concerned about the "mess" the ME is, perhaps you should ask the guy who broke it, rather than the guy who FOLLOWED the agreement between the Iraqi government and the Bush administration about whether we would keep troops in Iraq.
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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, U.S. soldier held in Afghanistan, freed in swap

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham
    What's sillier is you sitting here denying it. You're entitled to live in your own reality; it's still a free country.
    In other words, given YOUR definition, we've invaded almost every single nation on the planet, since we've got CIA agents in just about every single nation on the planet.

    And YOU are telling ME about "reality"?
    I am and will continue to.... It's everyones reality except yours, hence my prior comment.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, U.S. soldier held in Afghanistan, freed in swap

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    OMIGOSH!!!! We INVADED Libya!!!! Never mind that it was a whopping FOUR military personnel - from your reference:

    Two of the military personnel are explosive-ordnance experts who will be used to disable any explosives traps left in the embassy. The other two are "general security,"

    Yes, these FOUR soldiers went about slaughtering all opposition against them! They took every hill, every building, rooted out every sewer on their quest to CONQUER Libya! All while they were looking for explosive traps left in our embassy...and the other two being "general security"...now it's a GREAT mystery why we would EVER want armed security in Libya (where there's this city called "Benghazi" - you may have heard of it).

    And if you'll recall, it's YOU who is insisting that we "invaded"...and all I'm doing is trying to help you to understand how ludicrous your claim is. And if you're concerned about the "mess" the ME is, perhaps you should ask the guy who broke it, rather than the guy who FOLLOWED the agreement between the Iraqi government and the Bush administration about whether we would keep troops in Iraq.
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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, U.S. soldier held in Afghanistan, freed in swap

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    I have no problem with that - as soon as he's declared psychologically able to stand trial (and it doesn't take much to be so declared), yes, he should. Desertion is a very serious crime. BUT until that day he is declared guilty, he is innocent. That is American judicial tradition...in both the civilian AND the military world.
    That may well be judicial tradition but we are not in a court room appearing before a magistrate. We are therefore free to discuss whether we believe this guy is guilty or or not of desertion. I have no doubt that he is.

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