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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, U.S. soldier held in Afghanistan, freed in swap

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Back to Bergdahl, I've been listening to Sec/Def Hagel. His only justification for the way this was handled was that there simply could not be a chance of any leaked information. That's a rather insulting rationale for not informing key members of both houses.
    In the past there have been tons of leaks from congressional committees, the leaks used for political purposes. Now I am not talking about a couple to even a few congressional leaders here. I am talking about whole committees and their staffers. A phone call informing Pelosi, Boehner, Reid and McConnell, only those 4 with a request of only notifying the pertinent committee heads and no one else, no staffers at all, probably no leaks would have occurred.

    Any more people than that, I am sure leaks would have abounded.
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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, U.S. soldier held in Afghanistan, freed in swap

    Have there been leaks from key congressional members or from their committees or subcommittees such as the Senate's Intelligence subcommittee? Were there leaks when bin Laden was purportedly captured and killed? Not rhetorical questions; I don't know. And the reason I ask is that I can't see a legitimate reason not to trust key members of both Houses, even if we're talking about only 2-3 people and to make this decision unilaterally.

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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, U.S. soldier held in Afghanistan, freed in swap

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    Do you still really believe that fairy tale?
    Asks a Truther. If that isn't irony, I dunno what is.

    My claim is backed by facts and statements from Saddam himself.


    Yes, we have the government we deserve.
    I can't believe a Truther would take a shot at me like that. Sometimes internet debate seems like a total waste. I wonder if I'd be better off buying a few cats.
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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, U.S. soldier held in Afghanistan, freed in swap

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Asks a Truther. If that isn't irony, I dunno what is.

    My claim is backed by facts and statements from Saddam himself.

    I can't believe a Truther would take a shot at me like that. Sometimes internet debate seems like a total waste. At times like this, it seems I'd be better off buying a few cats.
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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, U.S. soldier held in Afghanistan, freed in swap

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Don't waste the money; adopt!
    I'm thinking 10-15 cats, a few prescriptions and random pills from the homeless guy in the Walmart parking lot, and I too could claim "special knowledge" through conspiracy theory and look down on everyone.

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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, U.S. soldier held in Afghanistan, freed in swap

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Then you must be fully against Obama's Libya invasion where Gaddafi was killed right?

    Can you show me where in the latest War Powers Act, where "clear and present danger" is measure required for military action?
    We invaded Libya?

    I'm sure that's news to our armed forces, since not a single one of them set foot in Libya.
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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, U.S. soldier held in Afghanistan, freed in swap

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    We invaded Libya?

    I'm sure that's news to our armed forces, since not a single one of them set foot in Libya.
    Wrong. The CIA were all over Libya in 2011. You might have heard of it - it was on all the news stations. And get this.... <looks side to side> Gaddafi actually was killed. It's true.
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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, U.S. soldier held in Afghanistan, freed in swap

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    And they presented a clear and present danger to America how? They didn't.
    They fired on Coalition Aircraft enforcing the no-fly zone, they attempted assassination of a US President, denied access to weapons inspectors, etc etc. Regardless, a "clear and present danger" is far from required....though Saddam was clearly a threat.
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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, U.S. soldier held in Afghanistan, freed in swap

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Yes, I was in the military. I was for a time the Chief Master-at-Arms - equivalent to the shipboard chief of police. I was also assistant legal officer for a time on the same ship. And I know that it is wrong in both the military and civilian worlds to declare someone guilty without first giving them a trial. They are ALWAYS innocent until proven guilty. You can catch the scumbag and know in your heart of hearts that he's guilty, but you cannot allow yourself to proceed as if he's guilty - you MUST proceed with the assumption of innocence until proven guilty in a court of law. That's in the military AND civilian worlds, guy.
    I am a retired Senior Chief. I am not declaring him guilty. I am saying he's a deserter, and should go to trial, guy. In the meantime, guy, the US president traded 5 generals for 1 private...a deserter...before the cessation of hostilities. That is aiding and abetting the enemy, guy.

    And that's precisely what that colonel meant. If you've a clue about the military, you'd know that matters like this cannot be decided by what relatively junior enlisted say to the media (one of which, btw, received an other-than-honorable discharge). Why, because false accusations occur. Was he threatened? Was he pressured to leave? WE DO NOT KNOW.

    Again, guy, do you believe in the American tradition of innocent until proven guilty in a court of law?
    Listen, guy, this isn't a court of law, guy, this is a debate forum, guy, and the colonel, guy, is towing the party line, guy, because his future is directly tied to the presidents feelings, guy. Those junior enlisted personnel actually served with him, guy, actually know him, guy, I trust them far more than that colonel.....guy.
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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, U.S. soldier held in Afghanistan, freed in swap

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Wrong. The CIA were all over Libya in 2011. You might have heard of it - it was on all the news stations. And get this.... <looks side to side> Gaddafi actually was killed. It's true.
    Last I recall, having CIA agents in a nation does NOT equate to an invasion of that nation. If it did, then we invaded Russia (and before, when it was the Soviet Union) and China and Iran and India and Saudi Arabia and Thailand and....

    "Boots on the ground" doesn't apply to CIA agents. To claim otherwise doesn't reflect well on you in front of the other veterans here.
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