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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, U.S. soldier held in Afghanistan, freed in swap

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    Do you prefer 50?
    I prefer that soldiers don't get killed looking for a deserter.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, U.S. soldier held in Afghanistan, freed in swap

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    No, I'm sorry. I was watching an interview with the father this morning on the early news--I'm thinking probably around 7 or 7:30 this morning? That's when I heard that--from the father.

    And you're right about the six, and Fox News is even questioning that using the term 'alleged' that they were killed looking for Bergdahl. Pentagon to review claims US soldiers killed during search for Bergdahl | Fox News
    Until they do an investigation I'm inclined to call it "alledged" at this point, too. Although, I don't know how they would prove it since they were killed in a conflict zone.

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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, U.S. soldier held in Afghanistan, freed in swap

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    I prefer that soldiers don't get killed looking for a deserter.
    That has yet to be determined.

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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, U.S. soldier held in Afghanistan, freed in swap

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    That has yet to be determined.
    It's yet to be official, but a lot of folks with more credibility than Bergdahl have confirmed it.

    There's even a credible suggestion that not only is Bergdahl a deserter, but possibly a collabarator.

    Report: “Many” in intelligence community fear Bergdahl may have been an active collaborator with the Taliban Hot Air
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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, U.S. soldier held in Afghanistan, freed in swap

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I prefer that soldiers don't get killed looking for a deserter.
    Odds are you're going to look for a deserter anyway. You don't want him handing information over to the enemy so getting him back is going to be a priority. It may not, depending on the circumstances, be a top priority but it's pretty important.

    Generally speaking I don't think it's a particularly good idea to hand over high level prisoners for a low level deserter but that's another issue all together.

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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, U.S. soldier held in Afghanistan, freed in swap

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    The statute in the law might be unconstitutional and violates the separation of powers.

    Barack Obama: Statement on Signing the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2012

    If it goes to the SCOTUS I think they'll side with Obama on this one.
    Really? The law isn't plain enough to understand, it has to go to nine judges to get a meaning?
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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, U.S. soldier held in Afghanistan, freed in swap

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    I think to say that this could be a violation of the separation of powers is a major reach. Congress determined the framework for the operation of the military including the Uniform Code of Military Justice. Also, this law requires that Al Qaeda be held "in military custody pending disposition under the law of war." I think Obama utilized Section 1021, paragraph c, item 4: "Transfer to the custody or control of the person’s country of origin, any other foreign country, or any other foreign entity" to bypass Congress. Poorly written laws tend to be easily bypassed. Not sure what Obama was objecting to in his signing statement.

    It looks like congress was trying to infringe on the presidents powers through the defense budget bill. If the GOP doesn't take Obama to court for breaking their law, then I think it safe to assume the statute is probably unconstitutional. Besides I think it's to the GOP's advantage that the court doesn't decide the case because it allows them to continue to falsely accuse Obama of breaking the law. See how that works? lol

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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, U.S. soldier held in Afghanistan, freed in swap

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Odds are you're going to look for a deserter anyway. You don't want him handing information over to the enemy so getting him back is going to be a priority. It may not, depending on the circumstances, be a top priority but it's pretty important.

    Generally speaking I don't think it's a particularly good idea to hand over high level prisoners for a low level deserter but that's another issue all together.
    Did you see the story on Bergdahl's father? The man grew a long beard and learned the language while his son was captive, and stated he would go get his son himself if necessary! He actually looked like a member of the Taliban, so he may have tried!

    Greetings, Lutherf.

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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, U.S. soldier held in Afghanistan, freed in swap

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Odds are you're going to look for a deserter anyway. You don't want him handing information over to the enemy so getting him back is going to be a priority. It may not, depending on the circumstances, be a top priority but it's pretty important.

    Generally speaking I don't think it's a particularly good idea to hand over high level prisoners for a low level deserter but that's another issue all together.
    You won't send out teams to go renegading across no-man's land looking for a deserter.

    The Tals used Bergdahl as bait in several ambushes.
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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, U.S. soldier held in Afghanistan, freed in swap

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Really? The law isn't plain enough to understand, it has to go to nine judges to get a meaning?
    Litigation is the American way. lol


    Apparently the law was wide open for interpretation and the president determined that parts of the statute were unconstitutional and infringed on the separation of powers. If congress disagrees then let the courts decide... after all, that's what they're for.

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