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    Re: Free flow of oil in a world market

    Quote Originally Posted by Checkerboard Strangler View Post
    Bowe the terrorist, Bowe the deserter, growing tired of this repeated use of Bergdahl as a plaything for wealthy politicians.

    Two can play that game, ya know...

    They called McCain "The Songbird" and if you dig deep enough you can find plenty of Vietnam vets who have no love for the man.
    Seems like a lot of folks have a very short memory.

    Kerry's in there too

    Hogwash.

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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, U.S. soldier held in Afghanistan, freed in swap

    Quote Originally Posted by Checkerboard Strangler View Post
    Bowe the terrorist, Bowe the deserter, growing tired of this repeated use of Bergdahl as a plaything for wealthy politicians.

    Two can play that game, ya know...

    They called McCain "The Songbird" and if you dig deep enough you can find plenty of Vietnam vets who have no love for the man.
    Seems like a lot of folks have a very short memory.

    Kerry's in there too

    McCain was captured, he didn't desert so he could go out and make contact with the Vietcong.

    Bergdahl DID desert and WAS actively trying to make contact with the enemy.

    The SAME ENEMY that took the lives of 6 Americans who put their lives on the line so they could find the missing Bergdahl.

    Enough with the irrelevant McCain references.

    You guys are obviously getting desperate, and I personally think thats a good thing.

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    Re: Free flow of oil in a world market

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Yes, according to the report you referenced:

    According to the CRS report, oil production on federal lands actually fell 6 percent between 2009 and 2013. Over the same period of time, oil production increased by an astounding 61 percent on state and private lands. The decrease in federal production is not insubstantial but requires context in the form of state and private production numbers. As a result of these massive gains, crude oil production on state and private lands has risen by 2.1 million barrels per day. That increase alone is more than Algeria, Libya, Qatar, and Norway produce– all countries with storied oil reputations – and explains why the U.S. is on track to be the world’s largest oil producer.

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    Unfortunately, these words amount to nothing more than lip service. Natural gas production on federal lands decreased by an astounding 28 percent from 2009 to 2013 while natural gas production on non-federal lands increased by 33 percent from 2009 to 2013. Actions speak louder than words.

    Yes, the Obama administration isn't eager for Big Oil to drill on federal land...but y'all are forgetting something: just because there's oil in them thar hills doesn't mean that we should go get it Right Now. Oil and natural gas are finite resources...and because they are finite, it's not wise to open them all up Right Now.

    As we can see, even with the truly significant increase in oil and natural gas production we have NOT seen a drop in our gas prices...so why put allow even more drilling? Why not keep as much as we can in reserve, for when we truly do need it? You know as well as I do that when we truly do need it, the government would certainly give it up. Seems to me that - even from a non-AGW, non-green point of view - keeping the oil and gas in federal lands in reserve until the day that we truly do need it (and no, that day is not today) is a very smart move.
    Then it is time for the Federal government to start selling the massive amount of land it holds. I believe we need a Constitutional amendment that says the federal government can hold no more land in any state than it does in the average of the three states that it has its smallest holdings. Further that no state may be more than 10% owned by the federal government.

    Is what you did frequently called moving the goalposts?

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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, U.S. soldier held in Afghanistan, freed in swap

    Hey, I'm just using the same metrics your group has already used, i.e., "Bergdahl made propaganda films for the enemy" etc.
    I never said Bergdahl was a hero or even an innocent man either, find one place where I did, please?
    Please, find one reference to anything I've said where I paint him as something other than a dumbass who screwed up.

    In fact, I said he had no earthly business even joining the military and I also said he made an incredibly stupid mistake.
    But your group...wow, just wow. Your bunch has been calling for a firing squad and for his family to be lined up next to him, damn near.
    The blood and spittle emanating from the right wing here is an echo chamber for the big agitprop machine on cable of course.

    So if anyone's been getting desperate, it's you, because either you do not read my posts, or you have signs of Alzheimer's because you can't remember my position on the guy, so you automatically default to the dog whistle du jour.

    I said, for the record, (not that you'll read this either of course) that if he is guilty of misconduct, let it come out via the military's legal system which is in place for such matters.

    And it's a fact that some of McCain's fellow prisoners have no love for the guy, sorry if that hits a nerve. Take it up with them.
    So you can run around with soprano hysteria all you like, but the fact is, any mention of not bringing the guy home is un-american, and it sends a very bad message.
    And the fact is, trying him in your kangaroo courts and using him as a political football shows a lack of maturity.

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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, U.S. soldier held in Afghanistan, freed in swap

    Quote Originally Posted by Checkerboard Strangler View Post
    Hey, I'm just using the same metrics your group has already used, i.e., "Bergdahl made propaganda films for the enemy" etc.
    I never said Bergdahl was a hero or even an innocent man either, find one place where I did, please?
    Please, find one reference to anything I've said where I paint him as something other than a dumbass who screwed up.

    In fact, I said he had no earthly business even joining the military and I also said he made an incredibly stupid mistake.
    But your group...wow, just wow. Your bunch has been calling for a firing squad and for his family to be lined up next to him, damn near.
    The blood and spittle emanating from the right wing here is an echo chamber for the big agitprop machine on cable of course.
    Anyone else find it entertaining that he starts by complaining that he is being misrepresented, and then turns immediately around to misrepresent others?

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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, U.S. soldier held in Afghanistan, freed in swap

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    ...and then turns immediately around to misrepresent others?
    By saying you're the ones sounding desperate?

    Oh and...was I complaining? Nope, don't think so.
    I'm asking you to find one instance where I defend Bergdahl.
    If that's complaining well okayfinewhatever
    If I didn't respond to your diatribe, it's possible you may have
    engaged in revisionism or broad sweeping generalizations.
    I don't have time for either, and you're probably on my IGNORE list.

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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, U.S. soldier held in Afghanistan, freed in swap

    Quote Originally Posted by Checkerboard Strangler View Post
    Hey, I'm just using the same metrics your group has already used, i.e., "Bergdahl made propaganda films for the enemy" etc.
    I never said Bergdahl was a hero or even an innocent man either, find one place where I did, please?
    Please, find one reference to anything I've said where I paint him as something other than a dumbass who screwed up.

    In fact, I said he had no earthly business even joining the military and I also said he made an incredibly stupid mistake.
    But your group...wow, just wow. Your bunch has been calling for a firing squad and for his family to be lined up next to him, damn near.
    The blood and spittle emanating from the right wing here is an echo chamber for the big agitprop machine on cable of course.

    So if anyone's been getting desperate, it's you, because either you do not read my posts, or you have signs of Alzheimer's because you can't remember my position on the guy, so you automatically default to the dog whistle du jour.

    I said, for the record, (not that you'll read this either of course) that if he is guilty of misconduct, let it come out via the military's legal system which is in place for such matters.

    And it's a fact that some of McCain's fellow prisoners have no love for the guy, sorry if that hits a nerve. Take it up with them.
    So you can run around with soprano hysteria all you like, but the fact is, any mention of not bringing the guy home is un-american, and it sends a very bad message.
    And the fact is, trying him in your kangaroo courts and using him as a political football shows a lack of maturity.

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    Seriously, we're " calling for the firing squad " ??

    Someone here said he should be shot ?
    And what Kangaroo Court are you refering to ?

    And you're guilty of quite a but of misrepresentation yourself.

    Ill believe the guys that served with him anyday over ANYONE who speaks for the Obama administration and according to them HE DESERTED.

    You dont like it, too bad. Suck it up.

    Next time try NOT defending a bunch of corruption incompetents.

    On top of that Obama returned 5 really bad guys to their terrorist buddies and then LIED about Bergdahl's serving with " distinction and honor "

    So they can not only continue to kill American soldiers but also the Afghanis who oppose the Taliban.

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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, U.S. soldier held in Afghanistan, freed in swap

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    It doesn't matter if YOU think their perception is misguided, their loyalty misplaced. YOUR opinion - and mine - does not matter. What matters is what THEY think - it's THEIR nation, THEIR culture, THEIR people, THEIR way of life. We can't just go in and say "do things the way we say you should" at the point of a gun. It never, ever works that way.
    Dear God! I was talking about YOUR perceptions, YOUR loyalties....
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    Re: Free flow of oil in a world market

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    No. It's not smart. The smart moment is when the market calls for it. Regardless, the point is made: BHO has been an impediment.
    Just because people think the market 'calls for it' doesn't make it smart. Not at all. That's the stuff of which gluts are made.
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    Re: Free flow of oil in a world market

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    How many train derailments, witj hazmat leaks, have there been in the past few years? I haven't seen any restrictions placed on the railroads.
    Of those train derailments with hazmat leaks, how many affected hundreds of miles of coastline and cost tens of thousands of jobs - 12K jobs in Louisiana alone according to the not-exactly-left-wing governor's office there?
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