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    Re: Making a weak case to not drill for any more oil in the US

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    You'd have a point...if the use of oil throughout the world wasn't skyrocketing. And it will continue to skyrocket until something bad happens, whatever that something bad may be (and no, I don't want any of us to see it).

    In any case, RIGHT NOW we cannot use all the oil that Big Oil is producing...yet still the prices at the pump haven't fallen.

    You really, truly don't see a problem with that? Time to take off the blinders, guy.
    I offer your advice to you. Why are you obsessed with what we pay? The government gets most of the benefit and shares none of the risk nor the work.

    My argument was not about price. It was about dependence on middle east oil and its impact on US foreign policy. If you want to see prices drop then eliminate all federal taxes on oil. Tax it locally at whatever rate the sales tax is. Let none of the money flow to Big Government.

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    Re: Free flow of oil in a world market

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    A fair case can be made that the increase has been despite BHO rather than because of BHO.

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    Apr 17, 2014 - Although the federal government heavily regulates the exploration and ... According to the CRS report, oil production on federal lands actually ...
    Yes.

    According to the CRS report, oil production on federal lands actually fell 6 percent between 2009 and 2013. Over the same period of time, oil production increased by an astounding 61 percent on state and private lands.

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    Re: Free flow of oil in a world market

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    50 states on their own cannot be trusted to create a cohesive national policy regarding the enviroment.

    Apparently neither can a centralized 'federal' government.
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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, U.S. soldier held in Afghanistan, freed in swap

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    U.S. soldier held in Afghanistan is released - CNN.com



    I'm extremely happy that this guy is coming home.

    The White House says this was a prisoner swap, for five "terrorists" (my word, not theirs) being held at Gitmo.

    That said, there are a lot of questions to be answered here. Just a few are:

    Why did Bergdahl "wander off" from the base and get captured in the first place? He had sent a number of emails to his parents saying he was having second thoughts about joining the Army, for instance. Technically, he was AWOL when he left the base and got captured. Did he go off base just to take a walk and think? Or, was it desertion? We won't know until he's debriefed.

    Why did we agree to release five terrorists? The names of the five released terrorists are Khair Ulla Said Wali Khairkhwa, Mullah Mohammad Fazl, Mullah Norullah Nori, Abdul Haq Wasiq and Mohammad Nabi Omari. Not just some enemy soldiers doing their job as members of another national army. These guys were hard core terrorists.

    What happened to "We don't negotiate with terrorists?"

    Did they pin these guys before releasing them?

    Are they being tracked?

    And, many other questions.

    None of which should lessen the fact that we've finally lived up to our military creed of Leave No Man Behind. As I started my comments above: I'm extremely happy that this guy is coming home.
    Yes there are many questions to be answered, and I am making no judgment until all of them are answered.
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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, U.S. soldier held in Afghanistan, freed in swap

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    It doesn't matter if YOU think their perception is misguided, their loyalty misplaced. YOUR opinion - and mine - does not matter. What matters is what THEY think - it's THEIR nation, THEIR culture, THEIR people, THEIR way of life. We can't just go in and say "do things the way we say you should" at the point of a gun. It never, ever works that way.
    Not all Afghanis are radical Islamist, and not Afghanis are Pro Taliban.

    In fact there are Afganis who have taken up arms against the Taliban and who've also sheltered American troops from harm.

    One notable example would be the small village who rescued and took in Marcus Lutrell.

    Obama just released 5 Taliban leaders back into the waiting arms of their terrorist buddies for a deserter.

    Amd then he lied to us repeatedly in a desperate attempt to mitigate away this latest foreign policy failure

    Thats a kick in the face to all the American soldiers AND Afgani people who've lost their lives fighting a terrorist organization.
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    Re: Free flow of oil in a world market

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Ever hear of the drilling moratorium?
    You mean the one that was enacted immediately after the Gulf oil spill? That's not some kind of 'war on oil' - that's the same thing the government does to the airlines if there's a problem seen with a certain kind of plane, or what the government does to the military as a whole if there's a big safety or conduct problem that needs to be addressed. That wasn't some kind of "war on oil" move - that was the government getting Big Oil's attention and telling it that it needs to take some time to make sure all its s**t is in one sock.
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    Re: Free flow of oil in a world market

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    A fair case can be made that the increase has been despite BHO rather than because of BHO.

    Obama Stymies Oil and Natural Gas Production on Federal ...

    www.forbes.com/.../obama-stymies-oil-and-natural-gas-productio...Forbes


    Apr 17, 2014 - Although the federal government heavily regulates the exploration and ... According to the CRS report, oil production on federal lands actually ...
    Yes, according to the report you referenced:

    According to the CRS report, oil production on federal lands actually fell 6 percent between 2009 and 2013. Over the same period of time, oil production increased by an astounding 61 percent on state and private lands. The decrease in federal production is not insubstantial but requires context in the form of state and private production numbers. As a result of these massive gains, crude oil production on state and private lands has risen by 2.1 million barrels per day. That increase alone is more than Algeria, Libya, Qatar, and Norway produce– all countries with storied oil reputations – and explains why the U.S. is on track to be the world’s largest oil producer.

    ...

    Unfortunately, these words amount to nothing more than lip service. Natural gas production on federal lands decreased by an astounding 28 percent from 2009 to 2013 while natural gas production on non-federal lands increased by 33 percent from 2009 to 2013. Actions speak louder than words.

    Yes, the Obama administration isn't eager for Big Oil to drill on federal land...but y'all are forgetting something: just because there's oil in them thar hills doesn't mean that we should go get it Right Now. Oil and natural gas are finite resources...and because they are finite, it's not wise to open them all up Right Now.

    As we can see, even with the truly significant increase in oil and natural gas production we have NOT seen a drop in our gas prices...so why put allow even more drilling? Why not keep as much as we can in reserve, for when we truly do need it? You know as well as I do that when we truly do need it, the government would certainly give it up. Seems to me that - even from a non-AGW, non-green point of view - keeping the oil and gas in federal lands in reserve until the day that we truly do need it (and no, that day is not today) is a very smart move.
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    Re: Free flow of oil in a world market

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Yes, according to the report you referenced:

    According to the CRS report, oil production on federal lands actually fell 6 percent between 2009 and 2013. Over the same period of time, oil production increased by an astounding 61 percent on state and private lands. The decrease in federal production is not insubstantial but requires context in the form of state and private production numbers. As a result of these massive gains, crude oil production on state and private lands has risen by 2.1 million barrels per day. That increase alone is more than Algeria, Libya, Qatar, and Norway produce– all countries with storied oil reputations – and explains why the U.S. is on track to be the world’s largest oil producer.

    ...

    Unfortunately, these words amount to nothing more than lip service. Natural gas production on federal lands decreased by an astounding 28 percent from 2009 to 2013 while natural gas production on non-federal lands increased by 33 percent from 2009 to 2013. Actions speak louder than words.

    Yes, the Obama administration isn't eager for Big Oil to drill on federal land...but y'all are forgetting something: just because there's oil in them thar hills doesn't mean that we should go get it Right Now. Oil and natural gas are finite resources...and because they are finite, it's not wise to open them all up Right Now.

    As we can see, even with the truly significant increase in oil and natural gas production we have NOT seen a drop in our gas prices...so why put allow even more drilling? Why not keep as much as we can in reserve, for when we truly do need it? You know as well as I do that when we truly do need it, the government would certainly give it up. Seems to me that - even from a non-AGW, non-green point of view - keeping the oil and gas in federal lands in reserve until the day that we truly do need it (and no, that day is not today) is a very smart move.
    No. It's not smart. The smart moment is when the market calls for it. Regardless, the point is made: BHO has been an impediment.
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    Re: Free flow of oil in a world market

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    You mean the one that was enacted immediately after the Gulf oil spill? That's not some kind of 'war on oil' - that's the same thing the government does to the airlines if there's a problem seen with a certain kind of plane, or what the government does to the military as a whole if there's a big safety or conduct problem that needs to be addressed. That wasn't some kind of "war on oil" move - that was the government getting Big Oil's attention and telling it that it needs to take some time to make sure all its s**t is in one sock.
    How many train derailments, witj hazmat leaks, have there been in the past few years? I haven't seen any restrictions placed on the railroads.
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    Re: Free flow of oil in a world market

    Bowe the terrorist, Bowe the deserter, growing tired of this repeated use of Bergdahl as a plaything for wealthy politicians.

    Two can play that game, ya know...

    They called McCain "The Songbird" and if you dig deep enough you can find plenty of Vietnam vets who have no love for the man.
    Seems like a lot of folks have a very short memory.

    Kerry's in there too

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    engaged in revisionism or broad sweeping generalizations.
    I don't have time for either, and you're probably on my IGNORE list.

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