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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, U.S. soldier held in Afghanistan, freed in swap

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    It highlights how these men have drastically changed their tune since Bergdahl has been rescued.
    Au contraire. Nothing they said then contradicts what they are saying now.
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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, U.S. soldier held in Afghanistan, freed in swap

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    Bergdahl has a record of leaving his post going all the way back to training camp for the purpose of taking walks. If he was nabbed on one of these walks by the Taliban then that doesn't make him a deserter. These soldiers are being hysterical in blaming Bergdahl for every death in Paktika. The Pentagon has said there is no evidence to support their claims of men being killed as the result of a search for him and frankly they shouldn't even be out there complaining that they had to their duty as soldiers. That report you mentioned, the AR 15-6, described his entire unit as undisciplined and lacking in accountability so it will be interesting to see what else comes to light not only about Bergdahl, but about the men who are trying to smear him. Something stinks about this and the stench is emanating from the men trying to whip up a lynch mob in the media.
    The men who are trying to smear him? Seriously? Not the men who served with him, but "The Men who are trying to smear him." People who smear have no honor. So, by that logic, SGT Bergdahl is the honorable one . . . even though, according to you, "Bergdahl has a record of leaving his post going all the way back to training camp (Who calls it training camp? Is the military now Pro Football? This is a huge tell and indicates you should not speak about things you have no knowledge about) for the purpose of taking walks." Taking walks while in Basic or Boot? Where are you getting this from and as if it is defensible even if it happened in basic or boot camp training (yeah, he wouldn't get in trouble for that). What military did you serve in that allows for that kind of behavior?

    Oh yeah, and the dishonorable guys who are "Smearing" him, are "hysterical," because they blame the deaths on Bergdahl. Would they have been on patrol anyway? Probably, but don't you think the scuttlebutt before every mission at that time had some thing to do with Bowe? In their eyes, they were searching for a walk off. What about that don't you understand? Then you claim it was an undisciplined unit. As if that makes THEIR perception have less of an impact than those who were crack troops. Have you ever existed at platoon level in the field? Who says the unit had NO discipline, and why does that warrant a change in how they should feel about Bowe Bergdahl? We are talking 2009 here. Not 40-years after a war an indicting a Senator that had already served multiple terms and been vetted. This is not Swift Boating. This is fresh. I'm a medically retired Navy Corpsman . . . I will believe platoon info long before I believe Pentagon info when it relates to 2009. But you go on and believe what you want to believe. My guys are hysterical and Bowe is being smeared.

    You are right, something stinks. Your message and the disturbing visual images of a Pashto, Arabic speaking Daddy in the Rose Garden make my nose hairs curl. I am so far distanced from the Bat Shirt Crazy section of the GOP I can only be defined as Liberal in the modern day and age. It's not true, but it is what it is. The Bowe Bergdahl situation is a situation created by executive incompetence. Period. But you go on feeling how you feel.
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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, U.S. soldier held in Afghanistan, freed in swap

    Quote Originally Posted by DiavoTheMiavo View Post
    The men who are trying to smear him? Seriously? Not the men who served with him, but "The Men who are trying to smear him." People who smear have no honor. So, by that logic, SGT Bergdahl is the honorable one . . . even though, according to you, "Bergdahl has a record of leaving his post going all the way back to training camp (Who calls it training camp? Is the military now Pro Football? This is a huge tell and indicates you should not speak about things you have no knowledge about) for the purpose of taking walks." Taking walks while in Basic or Boot? Where are you getting this from and as if it is defensible even if it happened in basic or boot camp training (yeah, he wouldn't get in trouble for that). What military did you serve in that allows for that kind of behavior?

    Oh yeah, and the dishonorable guys who are "Smearing" him, are "hysterical," because they blame the deaths on Bergdahl. Would they have been on patrol anyway? Probably, but don't you think the scuttlebutt before every mission at that time had some thing to do with Bowe? In their eyes, they were searching for a walk off. What about that don't you understand? Then you claim it was an undisciplined unit. As if that makes THEIR perception have less of an impact than those who were crack troops. Have you ever existed at platoon level in the field? Who says the unit had NO discipline, and why does that warrant a change in how they should feel about Bowe Bergdahl? We are talking 2009 here. Not 40-years after a war an indicting a Senator that had already served multiple terms and been vetted. This is not Swift Boating. This is fresh. I'm a medically retired Navy Corpsman . . . I will believe platoon info long before I believe Pentagon info when it relates to 2009. But you go on and believe what you want to believe. My guys are hysterical and Bowe is being smeared.

    You are right, something stinks. Your message and the disturbing visual images of a Pashto, Arabic speaking Daddy in the Rose Garden make my nose hairs curl. I am so far distanced from the Bat Shirt Crazy section of the GOP I can only be defined as Liberal in the modern day and age. It's not true, but it is what it is. The Bowe Bergdahl situation is a situation created by executive incompetence. Period. But you go on feeling how you feel.
    I think Bergdahl Jr was easily influenced, and Bergdahl Sr actually helped to push his son into the Taliban arms.

    Im not making any excuses for Bergdahl Jr, and consider him a deserter but I do think the old man was influential in his sons decision to leave base.

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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, U.S. soldier held in Afghanistan, freed in swap

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    It highlights how these men have drastically changed their tune since Bergdahl has been rescued.
    Wrong. You can find his platoon were saying he was a deserter all the way back in 2010. Or are you referencing the administrations attempt at shutting them up with an NDA the American people could be kept in the dark?
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, U.S. soldier held in Afghanistan, freed in swap

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    I think Bergdahl Jr was easily influenced, and Bergdahl Sr actually helped to push his son into the Taliban arms.

    Im not making any excuses for Bergdahl Jr, and consider him a deserter but I do think the old man was influential in his sons decision to leave base.
    I can certainly understand why that perception exists.... we don't have the full story and I so much want to find out what really happened.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, U.S. soldier held in Afghanistan, freed in swap

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    I thought we were going to try or release all the Guantanamo Bay prisoners a few years ago. 161 left.
    And we should release them all. I propose releasing them somewhere in the watery parts of the world. All of them. And of course they will have to be released outside of our claimed territorial waters. Two hundred miles out should do it.

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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, U.S. soldier held in Afghanistan, freed in swap

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Because the IC has no input into whether or not he is promoted. The rule (it might even be law) is that POW's get promoted non-competitively, automatically.
    And that applies to those who are AWOL?

    Strange Army this.

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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, U.S. soldier held in Afghanistan, freed in swap

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    3) there's the appearance of the (frequently detested) president ignoring Congress, the Constitution, and acting alone. This is a very very frightening thing for conservatives.
    But it barely bothers the ones who love the tyrant.

    It is time for him to go. Firing squad is preferred but I could be convinced that some other method is appropriate.

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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, U.S. soldier held in Afghanistan, freed in swap

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    I'm pretty sure the executive branch has studied the constitution and know where their authority lies. But I seriously doubt that congress does. It will be interesting to see if congress takes the issue to court....I'm guessing they won't because they can get more political mileage out of falsely accusing Obama of breaking the law than they can having their statute struck down as unconstitutional.
    One does not initially take this to court. This is reason for impeachment.

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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, U.S. soldier held in Afghanistan, freed in swap

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    I can certainly understand why that perception exists.... we don't have the full story and I so much want to find out what really happened.
    I was reading the Emails between son and Dad before he deserted and it sure seemed that way.

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