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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, U.S. soldier held in Afghanistan, freed in swap

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    And if the Army feels the need to ask the president first, they'll do just that. What's more, in the beginning, the search for Bergdahl was directed by the Army - no outside 'permission' needed. But when it became a matter of our intelligence services having to be the ones to find Bergdahl, they can't just go tell the Army, "There he is, go get him." It becomes a much bigger thing, a matter to be taken up at the cabinet level.
    But not to a Congressional level as law dictates.

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Do we know why Bergdahl did what he did, or what he was subjected to? No. "Innocent till proven guilty". If the Army finds him guilty and sends him off to Leavenworth, that's fine. But we bring our soldiers home.
    And this soldier should be brought home last. There are more American's being held which could have taken priority, yet the fact is, Obama decided he needed a political boost with the American people and rolled out the parents in the Rose Garden, totally misread the result and dismissed Bergdahls desertion assuming the soldiers which signed the NDA would keep their mouths shut while Susan Rice went again on the Sunday shows and lied. All of this, for a few political brownie points and to get over the VA scandal hounding the president.

    I'm hoping a UCMJ investigation and the reports done by the Army are reviewed when Bergdahl allegedly deserted his post, so a court martial can take place. Whether or not he voluntarily provided the enemy information or gave it up as a result of torture, we'll have to wait and see.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, U.S. soldier held in Afghanistan, freed in swap

    Quote Originally Posted by mtm1963 View Post
    when we are talking about 1 soldier being released, 5 taliban being released, 6 soldiers who were killed searching for Bowe Bergdahl and then comparing the 5 taliban released as being like the killer of millions...............hitler, stalin and mao............ oh yes numbers matter.

    we are talking about 5 people released.

    a family has their son back.......... SAFE!!
    There are 6 families that lost their sons because of this piece of crap
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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, U.S. soldier held in Afghanistan, freed in swap

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    There are 6 families that lost their sons because of this piece of crap
    and there is a family who has their son back............

    you can't change that past, those 6 soldiers were doing what they were asked to do, as were ALL the soldiers that died!!
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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, U.S. soldier held in Afghanistan, freed in swap

    Quote Originally Posted by mtm1963 View Post
    a person in the military knows that's true and its their expectation that will happen - they will not give up and they will do everything to find them.
    That is, unless by our actions as a nation we prove otherwise. If we did not go get Bergdahl, then we bring into question our commitment to that tradition. "By their actions shall ye know them", y'know?
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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, U.S. soldier held in Afghanistan, freed in swap

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    That is, unless by our actions as a nation we prove otherwise. If we did not go get Bergdahl, then we bring into question our commitment to that tradition. "By their actions shall ye know them", y'know?
    their claim is..... 6 soldiers died trying to find him.
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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, U.S. soldier held in Afghanistan, freed in swap

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    But not to a Congressional level as law dictates.
    And if you'll check, there's been a battle between Congress and the Presidency concerning how much power the president should or should not have...ever since our nation was founded. And whatever law was passed prior, the president is still the commander-in-chief - it's not as if he doesn't have a leg to stand on when it comes to POW's.

    And this soldier should be brought home last. There are more American's being held which could have taken priority, yet the fact is, Obama decided he needed a political boost with the American people and rolled out the parents in the Rose Garden, totally misread the result and dismissed Bergdahls desertion assuming the soldiers which signed the NDA would keep their mouths shut while Susan Rice went again on the Sunday shows and lied. All of this, for a few political brownie points and to get over the VA scandal hounding the president.
    Really? You really think this is about the VA? Dude...the negotiations to get Bergdahl have been going on since long before the VA issue came to the fore. If you'll check, the negotiations became serious this past December when a video (which has not yet been made public) appeared to show that Bergdahl's physical condition was deteriorating.

    You really should learn to be as cynical of your own side's claims as you are of the claims of others.

    I'm hoping a UCMJ investigation and the reports done by the Army are reviewed when Bergdahl allegedly deserted his post, so a court martial can take place. Whether or not he voluntarily provided the enemy information or gave it up as a result of torture, we'll have to wait and see.
    By all indications it looks as if he will be subject to an investigation under the UCMJ...but that's up to the Army. The important thing - as the Right seems to be forgetting - is that we uphold our tradition that all our military comes home, that we MUST do this (no matter how much we might not like the soldier in question) in order to prove to our military by our actions the lengths we will go to, to bring them home. Otherwise, they'll know that we won't try that hard to bring them home.
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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, U.S. soldier held in Afghanistan, freed in swap

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    That is, unless by our actions as a nation we prove otherwise. If we did not go get Bergdahl, then we bring into question our commitment to that tradition. "By their actions shall ye know them", y'know?
    We did not "go get" Bergdahl, we made a swap for him. Approximately six of the people that did try to "go get" him died as a result of his desertion. While some of what they were doing in the same time period would have also placed those soldiers lives in danger (patrols, missions) lives were lost directly because of efforts to find Bergdahl. Which is decidedly not what constitutes the "job" of our military forces. Lying down their lives for deserters, sadly known deserters at the time the soldiers died. The sooner the minority of people such as yourself who choose to ignore it just face that inevitable fact, the less you will need it explained to you. Repeatedly. Bergdahl will get his day in court. There are legitimate criticisms about the handling of this "swap" based upon information such as the fact that many died trying to find this deserter. And that criticism is of the bi-partisan variety. I see that in post #306 you speak to Ockham about his "side" in this. Frankly it is obvious which "side" you are on. The side of the administration, hell you could be Jay Carney's replacement. Meanwhile most of the rest of the country is fairly disgusted with what we are learning about the administrations handling of this matter, from left to right "side" of the political aisle. While posters like you have picked and speak to, taking sides.
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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, U.S. soldier held in Afghanistan, freed in swap

    Quote Originally Posted by mtm1963 View Post
    their claim is..... 6 soldiers died trying to find him.
    And they would do it all over again. That, sir, is what our military does - if we have to risk our lives to bring them home, that's what we will do.
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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, U.S. soldier held in Afghanistan, freed in swap

    Quote Originally Posted by mtm1963 View Post
    you can't change that past, those 6 soldiers were doing what they were asked to do, as were ALL the soldiers that died!!
    And if the one soldier didn't desert, they wouldn't have been asked to do those things that caused their death.
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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, U.S. soldier held in Afghanistan, freed in swap

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    And if you'll check, there's been a battle between Congress and the Presidency concerning how much power the president should or should not have...ever since our nation was founded. And whatever law was passed prior, the president is still the commander-in-chief - it's not as if he doesn't have a leg to stand on when it comes to POW's.
    Given the law Obama himself signed a little over a year ago requiring him to give Congress 30 days notice, he violated the law he himself signed. Him being a law professor and all... you'd think he'd be more sensitive to following the law instead of ignoring it.



    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Really?
    Yeah. Really.

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    You really think this is about the VA?
    I think I already said what I think.

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Dude...the negotiations to get Bergdahl have been going on since long before the VA issue came to the fore.
    It's obviously not the negotiations, it's the Rose Garden circus, it's the misreading of giving up 5 really bad terrorist guys for an alleged deserter who has been discussed since at least 2010 and more so since 2012. Dude.

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    If you'll check, the negotiations became serious this past December when a video (which has not yet been made public) appeared to show that Bergdahl's physical condition was deteriorating.
    Certainly more than enough time to meet the 30 day legal requirement then eh?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    You really should learn to be as cynical of your own side's claims as you are of the claims of others.
    I get to be cynical about all government.

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    By all indications it looks as if he will be subject to an investigation under the UCMJ...but that's up to the Army.
    I would hope so.

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    The important thing - as the Right seems to be forgetting - is that we uphold our tradition that all our military comes home, that we MUST do this (no matter how much we might not like the soldier in question) in order to prove to our military by our actions the lengths we will go to, to bring them home. Otherwise, they'll know that we won't try that hard to bring them home.
    I agree, just bring him home last, which is what I've said now three times. Hopefully this time you get it.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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