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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, U.S. soldier held in Afghanistan, freed in swap

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Cute, this is what I love about DP, the same people will jump on and condemn the president saying he can do nothing wrong no matter what he does and it is the same people what will be defending him to the hilt saying he can do no wrong no matter what he does.
    I think our president could have done lots better and is generally a disappointment, but that is irrelevant to the fact that this is an issue that will be exploited no matter what course he chooses

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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, U.S. soldier held in Afghanistan, freed in swap

    Slovik was charged with desertion to avoid hazardous duty and tried by court martial on 11 November 1944. Slovik had to be tried by a court martial composed of staff officers from other U.S. Army divisions, because all combat officers from the 28th Infantry Division were fighting on the front lines.[2] The prosecutor, Captain John Green, presented witnesses to whom Slovik had stated his intention to "run away".

    Eddy Slovik also chose to run away. As a result he was executed. We now have another "run away".
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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, U.S. soldier held in Afghanistan, freed in swap

    Quote Originally Posted by mtm1963 View Post
    your question a red herring and you know it.
    The avoidance of the topic is both noted and pathetically transparent.

    At this point enough people that were 'there' have spoken out, even some afgani's it is pretty clear the guy deserted the Army. Period.

    That some wish to ignore this reality in order to keep supporting a president that doesn't follow the very laws he signs, is also very much pathetically transparent.
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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, U.S. soldier held in Afghanistan, freed in swap

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Cute, this is what I love about DP, the same people will jump on and condemn the president saying he can do nothing wrong no matter what he does and it is the same people what will be defending him to the hilt saying he can do no wrong no matter what he does.
    The problem with your theory is that 'the right' hasn't been on Obama's back for the past 5 years to do something to get this guy back. Not at all. Which kinda proves your theory to be nothing other than partisan BS.
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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, U.S. soldier held in Afghanistan, freed in swap

    How many American POWs are there today?
    That number is something that must be figured into the equation.

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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, U.S. soldier held in Afghanistan, freed in swap

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    We bring home Americans. Bergdahl renounced his citizenship.
    He renounced his citizenship? When did he do that? Reference, please - you made the claim, so you back it up. And no, 'desertion' does not mean that one renounces his citizenship.
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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, U.S. soldier held in Afghanistan, freed in swap

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    He did not do the right thing. First of all, the war is not over. Second, Berghdal renounced his citizenship and deserted, third, Obama broke the law in doing it.

    There is no "right thing" in any of it.
    And if you cannot prove that Bergdahl renounced his citizenship but are just making it up...what does that make you?

    PROVE that Bergdahl renounced his citizenship!
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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, U.S. soldier held in Afghanistan, freed in swap

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    As to why Bush negotiated with them, I suppose it was because the Taliban were the ones providing sanctuary to AQ, I dont know you would have to ask him.

    We left 80-100 deserters in Vietnam after the fall of Saigon and no one every question it. I suppose it was because this nation just wanted to wash its hands of Vietnam.

    Well, I tried to explain why some people here think we gave up way to much, I suppose I have failed. I remember a John McCain sitting in Hanoi Hilton, his father was CINCPAC at the time. The North Vietnamese offered to release him, but John and his father refused, stating those captured before him need to be released first.

    Anyway, take care, I will not try to explain things again.
    Here's the story of the last POW to come home from Vietnam. He was apparently a deserter, and may have been a traitor too. But we brought him home anyway...and charges were promptly filed against him by the Corps. The rest of the story - including about the results of his trial, his dishonorable discharge, and the indication that he may have been telling the truth about seeing other POW's in Vietnam - are here.
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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, U.S. soldier held in Afghanistan, freed in swap

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    I think our president could have done lots better and is generally a disappointment, but that is irrelevant to the fact that this is an issue that will be exploited no matter what course he chooses
    I think this is true for the die hard core of each side, exploit on one side and defend to the max on the other regardless of what you/I/them think about the issue or situation personally. It seems these die hard partisans wait until either the president or their party makes up their mind where they stand on any particular issue and then adopt it, that is exactly where they stand on it. Free thinkers or those who make up their minds issue by issue are not allowed.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, U.S. soldier held in Afghanistan, freed in swap

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    The problem with your theory is that 'the right' hasn't been on Obama's back for the past 5 years to do something to get this guy back. Not at all. Which kinda proves your theory to be nothing other than partisan BS.
    Okay, and which side of the fence do you think I stand on?
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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