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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, U.S. soldier held in Afghanistan, freed in swap

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    You are missing the point, deliberately.

    Their own soldier put them in danger, notht the enemy. It was a waste.
    I'm not missing the point. You're using wonky logic and unfairly transferring responsibility to Bergdahl. Assuming Bergdahl deserted, he is not responsible for or guilty of anything but desertion.

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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, U.S. soldier held in Afghanistan, freed in swap

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Fabulous View Post
    Given the people we gave up to actually get this deal done I think the bolded part is a stretch. It violates the spirit of "we don't negotiate with terrorists" and I don't believe that other Presidents would have made this same deal under the same circumstances.

    The rest of your post I agree with. We should exhaust all reasonable efforts to bring them home no matter if they are perceived as deserters or not. Those questions can be dealt with after.
    Doesn't matter. We swapped North Koreans and Vietnamese for our POW's in the past, and their nations had killed a heck of a lot more of our troops than the Taliban had. We swapped POW's with Germany at the end of WWI. The Union and the South swapped POW's many times. We swapped POW's with England in both the Revolutionary War and the War of 1812. And in ALL these cases, the enemy had killed FAR more of our troops than the Taliban had...and in the cases of the Civil War, the War of 1812, and the Revolutionary War, these presented an existential danger to America itself. And then there's the small matter of Reagan trading 1500 missiles to Iran for American hostages.

    So...NO, I can't think of a single other president who would not have authorized the same thing.

    On top of all that, we had real concern about his physical health, which seemed to be deteriorating. Again, whatever he did or did not do, it is American tradition that we bring him home - and if we had allowed him to die, then we would have broken that tradition...and of course the Right would have had a field day with that one, too.
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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, U.S. soldier held in Afghanistan, freed in swap

    Quote Originally Posted by Filthy McNasty View Post
    Then there is also the dangerous precedent this "trade" sets up, particularly with regard to our soldiers being kidnapped for ransom as we see with the PLO and Israel. As the top-ranking Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee said, this a “dangerous precedent that puts all Americans at risk throughout the world.”
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    This was a terrible deal on several different levels and at this point I honestly believe it's purpose is symbolic. It makes sense in no other way.

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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, U.S. soldier held in Afghanistan, freed in swap

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    I'm not missing the point. You're using wonky logic and unfairly transferring responsibility to Bergdahl. Assuming Bergdahl deserted, he is not responsible for or guilty of anything but desertion.
    If he hadnt deserted, men would not have been sent to find him, and died in the process.

    Nothing wonky about that logic.
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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, U.S. soldier held in Afghanistan, freed in swap

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    You are missing the point, deliberately.

    Their own soldier put them in danger, notht the enemy. It was a waste.

    Not only that, he knows there would be a search for himself, in enemy territory. He deliberately placed his fellows in danger and it's his fault they were killed.

    If he did desert.
    .....allegedly.

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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, U.S. soldier held in Afghanistan, freed in swap

    Quote Originally Posted by mtm1963 View Post
    lets flip the argument.

    so you would rather have Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl stay a prisoner for how long? so you would rather have his family and friends suffer thru not knowing whether he is alive or DEAD for how long?

    your post is naive in thinking that these 5 people will make a difference in how many get killed. it wont!!

    i place the most value on his life and his well being, the confront his family and friends now have because he is FREE!!

    get rid of your politics in evaluating this situation.
    Bergdahl was a deserter that renounced his American citizenship. As far as I'm concerned, we gave the enemy 5 proven murderers for one stateless criminal.
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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, U.S. soldier held in Afghanistan, freed in swap

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Bergdahl was a deserter that renounced his American citizenship. As far as I'm concerned, we gave the enemy 5 proven murderers for one stateless criminal.
    I have a feeling this was more of a political "know soldier left behind" kind of thing rather then a balanced trade but I don't know

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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, U.S. soldier held in Afghanistan, freed in swap

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Doesn't matter. We swapped North Koreans and Vietnamese for our POW's in the past, and their nations had killed a heck of a lot more of our troops than the Taliban had. We swapped POW's with Germany at the end of WWI. The Union and the South swapped POW's many times. We swapped POW's with England in both the Revolutionary War and the War of 1812. And in ALL these cases, the enemy had killed FAR more of our troops than the Taliban had...and in the cases of the Civil War, the War of 1812, and the Revolutionary War, these presented an existential danger to America itself. And then there's the small matter of Reagan trading 1500 missiles to Iran for American hostages.

    So...NO, I can't think of a single other president who would not have authorized the same thing.

    On top of all that, we had real concern about his physical health, which seemed to be deteriorating. Again, whatever he did or did not do, it is American tradition that we bring him home - and if we had allowed him to die, then we would have broken that tradition...and of course the Right would have had a field day with that one, too.
    It was a 5 to 1 deal. If you want to look at it in terms of what we received for what we gave up I'll ask just one question.

    Who is more likely to suffer consequences in the aftermath of this deal? The Taliban for giving us back our one soldier or us for sending the Taliban the five guys who we held prisoner?

    What we gave up was not reasonable especially when you consider that we could have tried to rescue Bergdahl at any time but chose not to because of the "risk". We're risking MORE by setting these guys free.

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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, U.S. soldier held in Afghanistan, freed in swap

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    The sacrifice was not wasted. It was witnessed and inspires us all.
    In a way, yes. But pissing away their hard fought gains diminishes the accomplishment.
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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, U.S. soldier held in Afghanistan, freed in swap

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    In a way, yes. But pissing away their hard fought gains diminishes the accomplishment.
    The accomplishment is spiritual not physical.

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