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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, U.S. soldier held in Afghanistan, freed in swap

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    What evidence?
    The unerring recount by several of Bergdahl's squad mates, as well as numerous accounts by sources in the military and Pentagon.
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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, U.S. soldier held in Afghanistan, freed in swap

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    Actually, it is, if those are the orders.
    Those orders were made on the presumption of his unwilling capture.

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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, U.S. soldier held in Afghanistan, freed in swap

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    You do realize that what that telling the family that the soldier died kicking in a door in search of a Taliban member is not actually mutually exclusive from dying while searching for Bergdahl, right?

    Since it was their mission to secure the area and the military knew Bergdahl was taken to Pakistan within days of his capture and it was two months after his disappearance.......yes, it is definitely a streeeeeeeetch to say that at least four of the fallen were killed looking for Bergdahl. In fact, it's probably a lie.
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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, U.S. soldier held in Afghanistan, freed in swap

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    The unerring recount by several of Bergdahl's squad mates, as well as numerous accounts by sources in the military and Pentagon.
    And NONE of that matters. Why? Because it is our national tradition that ALL our military comes home. Whatever the soldier in question may have done is SECONDARY to that tradition. Once he's home, if the Army needs to court-martial him, then go for it! I feel about the same level of sympathy for him as I do for Bradley Manning: none.

    But that is SECONDARY to keeping up our national tradition of bringing them all home. What the Right doesn't understand about that, I really don't see.
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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, U.S. soldier held in Afghanistan, freed in swap

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Y'know, what's really stupid here is that the we-love-the-troops-and-will-do-anything-for-them (except for raising the budget for the VA) Right is suddenly SO offended that we brought this guy home using the SAME system we and every other major power has used for centuries.

    It is our tradition to bring all soldiers home. There's no caveat in there that "we won't bring him home if he's said or done something we don't like" - we bring them home. ALL of them. If we fail to do so, then what does that tell the soldiers in the field? "If we don't like you because {insert reason here}, we won't care about bringing you home if you're captured."

    We bring them home, period. If the guy we brought home should be court-martialed, then that's up to the Army, isn't it? If there's sufficient evidence to court-martial him for desertion and sentence him to Leavenworth, then that's what the Army should and will do. But that is SECONDARY to bringing him - and any other soldier - home.

    I can't think of a single other president who would not have done the same thing.
    Given the people we gave up to actually get this deal done I think the bolded part is a stretch. It violates the spirit of "we don't negotiate with terrorists" and I don't believe that other Presidents would have made this same deal under the same circumstances.

    The rest of your post I agree with. We should exhaust all reasonable efforts to bring them home no matter if they are perceived as deserters or not. Those questions can be dealt with after.

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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, U.S. soldier held in Afghanistan, freed in swap

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    Actually, it is, if those are the orders.
    You are missing the point, deliberately.

    Their own soldier put them in danger, notht the enemy. It was a waste.

    Not only that, he knows there would be a search for himself, in enemy territory. He deliberately placed his fellows in danger and it's his fault they were killed.

    If he did desert.
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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, U.S. soldier held in Afghanistan, freed in swap

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Those orders were made on the presumption of his unwilling capture.
    Exactly, as it became clear that Bergdahl left by choice the searches stopped. As has been told by sources in the Military, Bergdahl's location had been known for a while but the military command had concluded that Bergdahl was not worth any more soldier's lives trying to rescue him.

    How many died capturing the 5 animals that we traded for Bergdahl? Their ultimate sacrifice was ultimately wasted as well.
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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, U.S. soldier held in Afghanistan, freed in swap

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Fabulous View Post
    Given the people we gave up to actually get this deal done I think the bolded part is a stretch. It violates the spirit of "we don't negotiate with terrorists" and I don't believe that other Presidents would have made this same deal under the same circumstances.

    The rest of your post I agree with. We should exhaust all reasonable efforts to bring them home no matter if they are perceived as deserters or not. Those questions can be dealt with after.
    Then there is also the dangerous precedent this "trade" sets up, particularly with regard to our soldiers being kidnapped for ransom as we see with the PLO and Israel. As the top-ranking Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee said, this a “dangerous precedent that puts all Americans at risk throughout the world.”
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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, U.S. soldier held in Afghanistan, freed in swap

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Their ultimate sacrifice was ultimately wasted as well.
    The sacrifice was not wasted. It was witnessed and inspires us all.

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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, U.S. soldier held in Afghanistan, freed in swap

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Fabulous View Post
    Given the people we gave up to actually get this deal done I think the bolded part is a stretch. It violates the spirit of "we don't negotiate with terrorists" and I don't believe that other Presidents would have made this same deal under the same circumstances.

    The rest of your post I agree with. We should exhaust all reasonable efforts to bring them home no matter if they are perceived as deserters or not. Those questions can be dealt with after.
    Exactly. The defenders are simply playing a game of extremes here like when you say the government should cut the budget by 1% annually until it is balanced and they claim you want to turn American into Somalia. Same deal. For those people apparently having serious problem with releasing what amounts to 5 Osama bin Laden level Taliban leaders for a deserter means you hate the military and want all POWs to die in enemy prisons.
    Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish and he stops voting for the Free Fish party.

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