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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, U.S. soldier held in Afghanistan, freed in swap

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I don't know whether to laugh or cry at this partisanship.
    Don't keep me in suspense.

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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, U.S. soldier held in Afghanistan, freed in swap

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    Don't keep me in suspense.
    Okay, I laughed at it, even though it's pretty sad.

    Maybe Bush is behind it?

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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, U.S. soldier held in Afghanistan, freed in swap

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Okay, I laughed at it, even though it's pretty sad.

    Maybe Bush is behind it?
    Nope. I don't even think it was originally political.

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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, U.S. soldier held in Afghanistan, freed in swap

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    Nope. I don't even think it was originally political.
    Sure it was. It's the Republicans behind it. You said so yourself.

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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, U.S. soldier held in Afghanistan, freed in swap

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Sure it was. It's the Republicans behind it. You said so yourself.
    No, I said that his platoon reached out to a Republican strategist. Or rather, that is what has been reported.

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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, U.S. soldier held in Afghanistan, freed in swap

    Would be pretty ironic for him to go from being held by the Taliban to being in a US prison for desertion.

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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, U.S. soldier held in Afghanistan, freed in swap

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    Would be pretty ironic for him to go from being held by the Taliban to being in a US prison for desertion.
    I don't know if any of this is true, but there are certainly 5 available cells at Guantanamo Bay if they are needed.

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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, U.S. soldier held in Afghanistan, freed in swap

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    No, I said that his platoon reached out to a Republican strategist. Or rather, that is what has been reported.
    Yes, when you denigrated the soldiers who served this country bravely in your effort to make Bergdahl appear to be the good man you claim he is.

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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, U.S. soldier held in Afghanistan, freed in swap

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Yes, when you denigrated the soldiers who served this country bravely in your effort to make Bergdahl appear to be the good man you claim he is.
    The soldiers banded together and started a media smear campaign the moment Bergdahl was released. I find it very curious that it turned so ugly so quick, entirely because of what the soldiers claim.

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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, U.S. soldier held in Afghanistan, freed in swap

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    That's very nave and misinformed.

    Read and learn.....
    For me to read and learn you'd need to be showing me something I didn't already know.

    I never suggested that a signing statement is unconstitutional. I've never suggested a signing statement was unique to Obama. I never suggested a signing statement itself is illegal. I never suggested the President can't opine and acted based on his belief of what is or isn't constitutional.

    I suggested he doesn't get to declare law unconstitutional by fiat. Perhaps you should "read and learn" a bit from your link as well. It notes how the defense of the constitution is held by all three branches...and that jives with what I've said, but not what you've said.

    You suggested that people are making "False" accusations of violating the law, which can only be made based off a misguided belief that the defense of the constitution is not held by all three branches, but ONLY by the Executive and that because Obama declared this "unconstitutional" it simply is and therefore is not law.

    Which is ridiculous and factually untrue.

    The President can declare he believes something is unconstitutional and that he will not enforce it. That does NOT invalidate the law nor remove it from the books. That law is still there and he's still acting in violation of it. At which point either it can be ignored, gone along with, or challenged.

    The law only comes OFF THE BOOKS, and thus no longer "the law", at this point if it's overturned by the SCOTUS or repealed by the congress.

    The President gets to determine how to execute the Law, he doesn't get to determine what IS the law. That's a distinct difference and part of the seperation of powers.

    I understand you share the Presidents OPINION on the constitutionality of the law. You have that right. He has that right. Both of your OPINIONS have the same impact as to whether or not the Law is or is not "The Law" still: none.

    He has the ability to "reasonably interpret" the constitutionality of a law in order to execute the law. He has no power to repeal law by fiat. Which means if the law is still on the books, and he's acting counter to it, then allegations that he's violating the law are not false but accurate.

    Whether or not that violation is problematic is an ENTIRELY different thing. People violate the law in Colorado and Washington and it's largely irrelevant because nothing is done to them. Doesn't change the fact they're violating the law. There are blue laws on the books that are LAW that people violate routinely. The fact they're not enforced doesn't mean the laws not being violated, it just means for a plethora of reasons the law is not being enforced.

    You want to speak of naive, we can do that. To suggest that congress agrees with the unconstitutional opinion regarding this law if they don't bring action against the President is ridiculously naive and basically demonstrates someone whose either truly ignorant of politics or who is being intentually obtuse. There are a multitude of factors that go into a congress challenging the President regarding a signing statement or an action he makes as it relates to a possible violation of a law or a constitutional interpritation that range FAR beyond whether or not they think they're correct in their beleif of the situation or not.

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