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US soldier freed from captivity in Afghanistan

Henry David said:
Nothing personal JMac, but read it and weep. :)

Yes, under fraud. The predicate events for that invasion were very much a false flag operation. :peace
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And what is your understanding of the reason for the military invasion of Afghanistan?
 
Henry David said:
Nothing personal JMac, but read it and weep. :)

Yes, under fraud. The predicate events for that invasion were very much a false flag operation. :peace
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I'm wondering if you ignore history because you just don't know...or because you'd rather satisfy your bias.

There was no "false flag" involved in the invasion and ousting of the Taliban. Right after 9/11, we told the Taliban to turn over Al-Qaeda to us...or else. They selected "or else". We...and our allies...shoved them out of power and sent them packing. Along the way, we killed and captured a whole bunch of the Al-Qaeda organization.
 
Mycroft said:
I'm wondering if you ignore history because you just don't know...or because you'd rather satisfy your bias.

There was no "false flag" involved in the invasion and ousting of the Taliban. Right after 9/11, we told the Taliban to turn over Al-Qaeda to us...or else. They selected "or else". We...and our allies...shoved them out of power and sent them packing. Along the way, we killed and captured a whole bunch of the Al-Qaeda organization.
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Don't hit him with fact. He probably thinks Cheney set charges personally to bring the tower's down.
 
j-mac said:
And what is your understanding of the reason for the military invasion of Afghanistan?
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To catch the boogie man who flew those airplanes into those towers, of course.

What's yours? ;)
 
Henry David said:
To catch the boogie man who flew those airplanes into those towers, of course.

What's yours? ;)
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I think you know what I was asking....Are you saying that AQ wasn't behind those attacks, or that they were no problem for the US?
 
j-mac said:
I think you know what I was asking....Are you saying that AQ wasn't behind those attacks, or that they were no problem for the US?
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Straight answer--I'm just an ordinary citizen near retirement who did ROTC and the Vietnam thing in a Helicopter Ambulance unit.

There seems to be a fairly strong case that AQ and the US were somehow partners in getting the Russians out of Afghanistan. Discovering as a young 2Lt how the CIA really worked, I can imagine how deep and how long our ties to AQ really are.

There are so many factual problems with the official story regarding the events of the day at WTC and elsewhere that it simply cannot be true. Not trying to hijack or derail the thread. It's just a straight answer.

So if the story cannot be true, it is not true. It cannot be proved that any aircraft were hijacked that day, and 2 of the 4 were not even where they were supposed to be.

No sir, AQ was not "behind" the attacks, though it is certainly possible that they played along with their previous handlers. I don't know the details because I wasn't in on it.

:peace
 
nota bene said:
If I didn't oppose the death penalty, maybe I would. I agree with Helix, though, that holding these men this long without a trial is "un-American."

I don't understand either why we returned five of theirs for one of ours.
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They are not Americans, they don't have the same rights as us to things like speedy trials.
 
Henry David said:
Straight answer--I'm just an ordinary citizen near retirement who did ROTC and the Vietnam thing in a Helicopter Ambulance unit.

There seems to be a fairly strong case that AQ and the US were somehow partners in getting the Russians out of Afghanistan. Discovering as a young 2Lt how the CIA really worked, I can imagine how deep and how long our ties to AQ really are.

There are so many factual problems with the official story regarding the events of the day at WTC and elsewhere that it simply cannot be true. Not trying to hijack or derail the thread. It's just a straight answer.

So if the story cannot be true, it is not true. It cannot be proved that any aircraft were hijacked that day, and 2 of the 4 were not even where they were supposed to be.

No sir, AQ was not "behind" the attacks, though it is certainly possible that they played along with their previous handlers. I don't know the details because I wasn't in on it.

:peace
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Well, I'll just say that I don't buy into the 9/11 truther nonsense....And to tell you the truth, I am disappointed in some of the otherwise intelligent seeming people that do....;)
 
j-mac said:
Well, I'll just say that I don't buy into the 9/11 truther nonsense....And to tell you the truth, I am disappointed in some of the otherwise intelligent seeming people that do....;)
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I must go where the facts take me.

FYI, I actually believed (though I had questions) the official story for a number of years, until I discovered quite late that WTC7 had come down too.

From my aviation perspective, the story is absurd. All the facts contradict it.
 
Henry David said:
I must go where the facts take me.

FYI, I actually believed (though I had questions) the official story for a number of years, until I discovered quite late that WTC7 had come down too.

From my aviation perspective, the story is absurd. All the facts contradict it.
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No, they don't. Unless "your aviation perspective" involves flying a jetliner into a skyscraper, your "aviation experience" means diddly****.
 
Henry David said:
I must go where the facts take me.

FYI, I actually believed (though I had questions) the official story for a number of years, until I discovered quite late that WTC7 had come down too.

From my aviation perspective, the story is absurd. All the facts contradict it.
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You can believe what you want, it's a free country :shrug: But, conspiracy theory is filled with selecting "facts", or omitting inconvenient parts that don't lend to the conclusions....It just isn't the way to truly find the truth, IMHO.
 
j-mac said:
You can believe what you want, it's a free country :shrug: But, conspiracy theory is filled with selecting "facts", or omitting inconvenient parts that don't lend to the conclusions....It just isn't the way to truly find the truth, IMHO.
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Nevermind the OT 911 stuff.

To return to the Bergdahl matter, and your being military, I wonder if you can remember the controversy about Pat Tillman's death, his reason for enlistment, and his brother's statements.

As I recall, his brother was also in the Army, and there were some comments made (maybe I'm wrong) in public by the brother and family regarding some level of disillusionment experienced by Pat regarding his purpose there.

What I'm wondering, is if this disillusionment did happen as I remember, is it similar to that disillusionment apparently experienced by Bergdahl?
 
Henry David said:
Nevermind the OT 911 stuff.

To return to the Bergdahl matter, and your being military, I wonder if you can remember the controversy about Pat Tillman's death, his reason for enlistment, and his brother's statements.

As I recall, his brother was also in the Army, and there were some comments made (maybe I'm wrong) in public by the brother and family regarding some level of disillusionment experienced by Pat regarding his purpose there.

What I'm wondering, is if this disillusionment did happen as I remember, is it similar to that disillusionment apparently experienced by Bergdahl?
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Yes, but Tillman, nor the TT being brought down have little to do with Bergdahl walking off, and possibly becoming a traitor, and aiding the enemy.
 
j-mac said:
Yes, but Tillman, nor the TT being brought down have little to do with Bergdahl walking off, and possibly becoming a traitor, and aiding the enemy.
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Understood.

I'm wondering if the disillusionment experienced by Tillman (if I'm remember correctly) was similar to the disillusionment apparently experienced by Bergdahl?
 
Henry David said:
I must go where the facts take me.

FYI, I actually believed (though I had questions) the official story for a number of years, until I discovered quite late that WTC7 had come down too.

From my aviation perspective, the story is absurd. All the facts contradict it.
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Are you a commercial pilot? If so please explain how your "aviation perspective" helps lead you to the conclusion that America was behind the 9-11 atrocity?
 
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hammer2 said:
Are you a commercial pilot? If so please explain how your "aviation perspective" helps lead you go the conclusion that America was behind the 9-11 atrocity?
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Would you like to take that to the appropriate thread in the CT section? Or, feel free to PM me.

You're twisting my words a bit--I never said America was behind it, YOU did. I said the story is impossible.
 
Henry David said:
Would you like to take that to the appropriate thread in the CT section? Or, feel free to PM me.

You're twisting my words a bit--I never said America was behind it, YOU did. I said the story is impossible.
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Who needs to post in the conspiracy theory section when posters such as yourself pollute every forum in which you post with your conspiracies?
 
Gardener said:
Who needs to post in the conspiracy theory section when posters such as yourself pollute every forum in which you post with your conspiracies?
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There is a difference between an observation and a conspiracy dude.
 
Henry David said:
Would you like to take that to the appropriate thread in the CT section? Or, feel free to PM me.

You're twisting my words a bit--I never said America was behind it, YOU did. I said the story is impossible.
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You said it was a false flag attack, which by nature means America was behind it. Unless you're going really nuts and blaming Israel.
 
There's a reason why I never venture into the Conspiracy Theory section. This is a reminder why.

Dear doG, can someone please stop the 9/11 truther madness and get back to this story?
 
Henry David said:
Would you like to take that to the appropriate thread in the CT section? Or, feel free to PM me.

You're twisting my words a bit--I never said America was behind it, YOU did. I said the story is impossible.
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This is your quote. You're surely insinuating as much...
There are so many factual problems with the official story regarding the events of the day at WTC and elsewhere that it simply cannot be true. Not trying to hijack or derail the thread. It's just a straight answer.

So if the story cannot be true, it is not true. It cannot be proved that any aircraft were hijacked that day, and 2 of the 4 were not even where they were supposed to be.

No sir, AQ was not "behind" the attacks, though it is certainly possible that they played along with their previous handlers. I don't know the details because I wasn't in on it.
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I would love to hear how your "aviation perspective" lead you to the conclusion that "al Qaeda was not behind the attacks".
 
hammer2 said:
This is your quote. You're surely insinuating as much...


I would love to hear how your "aviation perspective" lead you to the conclusion that "al Qaeda was not behind the attacks".
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I say again Hammer, for the comprehension impaired: "The story is impossible, it is not true".

Further, it's off topic.

What do you think of Bergdahl's disillusionment with the war he was in?
 
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