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    Re: US soldier freed from captivity in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    Which idiot do you refer to?

    My point is that the Bush administration was on friendly terms with the Taliban, until we invaded their country under fraud.

    That's the only point, and it is relevant in any calculation as to their inherent evil, as some people get anxious about.

    What will eventually happen in this Bergdahl case is that it will become public knowledge that he became a conscientious objector, either before or after he arrived in country. Most likely he understood that we invaded the country under fraud, but whatever his motivation it will become public and the debate will shift.

    In a way, this reminds me a bit of the case of Ehren Watada, 1LT USA, who refused orders to Iraq and was court martialed.
    I refer to Obama and his actions. Thats what we're talking about here, not Bush. It was wrong for the US govt to give the Taliban money to top opium production, but thats a seperate wrong from the US govt releasing terrorists.

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    Re: US soldier freed from captivity in Afghanistan

    I wonder if this whole prisoner exchange is some kind of diversion for some other mission, or to take the heat off one of Obama's other ****ups.
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    Re: US soldier freed from captivity in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I wonder if this whole prisoner exchange is some kind of diversion for some other mission, or to take the heat off one of Obama's other ****ups.
    Another mission? Could be.

    Take the heat off? More likely.

    My opinion is that he wanted to give the Democrats up for re-election something to crow about...something to help them. If so, instead, he screwed them.

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    Re: US soldier freed from captivity in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    Understood.

    I'm wondering if the disillusionment experienced by Tillman (if I'm remember correctly) was similar to the disillusionment apparently experienced by Bergdahl?
    Don't know. But I'd be willing to bet that Tillman was twice the man that pushy Bergdahl is.
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    Re: US soldier freed from captivity in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Don't know. But I'd be willing to bet that Tillman was twice the man that 6pushy Bergdahl is.
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    Re: US soldier freed from captivity in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Don't know. But I'd be willing to bet that Tillman was twice the man that pushy Bergdahl is.
    Thank you for at least a straight answer.

    One of the advantages of the draft was that individuals could claim Conscientious Objector status. Many times the Army made them medics, and because I was in a medical unit I served with many of them. I was not CO, but knew many.

    I understand that present policy still allows one to claim that status, but the procedures are cumbersome, so there are not that many. I wonder if that's true?

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    Re: US soldier freed from captivity in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    Thank you for at least a straight answer.

    One of the advantages of the draft was that individuals could claim Conscientious Objector status. Many times the Army made them medics, and because I was in a medical unit I served with many of them. I was not CO, but knew many.

    I understand that present policy still allows one to claim that status, but the procedures are cumbersome, so there are not that many. I wonder if that's true?
    Couldnt you just refuse and go to jail instead?

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    Re: US soldier freed from captivity in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Couldnt you just refuse and go to jail instead?
    Thoreau acted in a similar fashion and ended up in jail, suggesting that there might be more principled people in jail than the opposite.

    With Vietnam, many objectors simply went to Canada, back when that country's government was not a pawn of the US government. I'm sure a few went to jail.

    The guys I knew didn't want to go to jail, but they didn't want to kill people either in a fraudulent war.

    I suspect Bergdahl was having the same experiences. The war is illegitimate and most folks know that, even (maybe especially) those in country in uniform.

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    Bowe Bergdahl: Taliban Captors Speak to TIME - TIME

    Asked whether the Taliban would be inspired by the exchange to kidnap others, he laughed. “Definitely,” he says. “It’s better to kidnap one person like Bergdahl than kidnapping hundreds of useless people. It has encouraged our people. Now everybody will work hard to capture such an important bird.”
    Taliban Commanders Say They Found Bergdahl Cursing His Countrymen - NBC News

    “Our people at the time couldn’t understand his language, but it was after he was shifted to a safe location, he said he wasn’t happy with his countrymen, but he didn’t intend to convert to Islam or join mujahideen (holy warriors),” one of the commanders said.

    The commanders said that Taliban officers first thought it was a trick — perhaps an American soldier sent out alone to spy on the enemy.

    “As we never saw their soldier patrolling alone … we would ask him how he managed to walk out of his base,” one of the commanders said. “He would tell us that it was personal issue.”
    EXCLUSIVE: Bergdahl declared jihad in captivity, secret documents show | Fox News

    Clarridge further told Fox News that by the end of 2010, he had furnished at least 13 of these detailed SITREPs, or situation reports, that his network generated about Bergdahl to Brig. Gen. Robert P. Ashley Jr., who in April 2010 was named director of intelligence, at the J-2 level, at CENTCOM. Clarridge said Eclipse SITREP # 3023, dated Aug. 23, 2012 -- in which a member of the Haqqani network, said to be close to Bergdahl's captors, reported that the American prisoner had declared himself a "mujahid" -- was among the reports provided to Ashley.
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    Re: US soldier freed from captivity in Afghanistan

    At least we only have to deal with Obama for 2.5 more years. Hopefully the next guy wont be just as bad.

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