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    Re: US soldier freed from captivity in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    It's not "Un-American", its War. Too many people have a really backwards view of what war actually is and how it is waged. These combatants are not some guys dragged off an American street for selling dope. They aren't entitled to trial in an American court. They are subject to the Geneva Convention. The Geneva convention is not kind to non-uniformed combatants, which these monster's are. They really are not entitled to anything but a bullet in the heart.

    The reason is because the Geneva Convention was created in order to protect civilians in a time of war. To differentiate civilians from enemy combatants the GC incentivised wearing uniforms by offering special protections to uniformed combatants. By not wearing uniforms the Taliban made civilians targets, which of course is part of the battle plan of the Taliban. I don't care if they spend the rest of their lives hanging from their toes.

    Claiming that releasing them is the only solution because of a bogus interpretation of what is and isn't "American" ignores the entire History of warfare and undermines the purpose of the GC which was designed to protect civilian populations from animals like the Taliban. These men SHOULD suffer for not following the GC. All your way accomplishes is giving the Taliban more justification for ignoring the GC.

    Your attempt at high mindedness has supported releasing these dogs back into Afghanistan in a years time.. Please read:

    1. Mohammad Fazl

    One of the first detainees captured in Afghanistan to be transferred to Guantanamo — in January 2002 — Fazl is the Taliban’s former deputy minister of defense. He was one of the Taliban’s founding members, rising through the ranks to become Taliban Chief of Army Staff when it ruled Afghanistan. Human Rights Watch accuses Fazl of presiding over the mass killings of Afghanistan’s Shi’ite Muslims in 2000 and 2001.

    2. Mohammad Nabi

    The former chief of Taliban security in Qalat, the capital of Afghanistan’s southern Zabul Province, Nabi was a latecomer to the Taliban, joining only in the late 1990s. After taking a few years away, he rejoined in 2000 to work as a radio operator for the Taliban’s communications office. He has claimed during U.S. military interrogations to have been working for the C.I.A. in the search for Taliban Chief Mullah Omar and al-Qaeda operatives. Those confessions may earn him difficulties upon his release.

    3. Abdul Haq Wasiq

    Also accused by Human Rights Watch of mass killings and torture during the Taliban’s time in power, the Taliban’s former deputy minister of intelligence is considered to have been at one time one of Mullah Omar’s closest confidants, with a direct line to the elusive leader.

    4. Mullah Norullah Nori

    Nori was the senior Taliban commander in the strategic northern city of Mazar-i-Sharif when U.S. forces arrived in late 2001. A former governor of two northern provinces, he is considered to be one of the most high-ranking Taliban officials ever to be held in Guantanamo. He is also accused of being involved in the massacre of thousands Shi’ite Muslims in 2000 and 2001, when the Taliban attempted to purge Afghanistan of what it deemed a deviant form of Islam.

    5. Khairullah Khairkhwa

    The former Taliban governor of Heart Province, which borders Iran, Khairkhwa has also served as a military commander and a minister of the interior. He was close to Mullah Omar as well as current Afghan President Hamid Karzai, who briefly worked with the Taliban administration in the 1990s. According to the Associated Press, Khairkhwa’s U.S.-based lawyers have argued in court filings that by the time of his capture in 2002 he had already distanced himself from the Taliban.


    It is amazing how much death and destruction people can willful put in motion for a false vision of what war is, or should be. The inocent civilians of Afghanistan cower at your good intention.


    What about the Americans that they killed?

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    Re: US soldier freed from captivity in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    And I voted for Mickey Mouse. Does me saying it make it true?



    Holding enemy combatants, that have attacked and killed our people, while hostilities continue. That is kinda the norm.

    You are not being lambasted, it was simply asked if you can see past your narrow view.. if perhaps some of these other stories, from people that were there, could be true and perhaps this guy is not a hero. But it appears just asking to consider anything other than what you already think makes you mad.

    And again, it is really poor form to call it 'partisan'. It has nothing to do with parties, it has to do with following the rule of law, it has to do with the possibility that the guy is a deserter and thus is responsible for the deaths of many other Americans, it has to do with releasing terrorists that have attacked and killed Americans… doesn't matter what party the person that did it is…



    You just called him a liar, not very nice....

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    Re: US soldier freed from captivity in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Juanita View Post
    What about the Americans that they killed?
    Given that they were the leadership of the Taliban since before 9/11 they have a lot of blood on their hands.
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    Re: US soldier freed from captivity in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Given that they were the leadership of the Taliban since before 9/11 they have a lot of blood on their hands.
    Given their inherent wickedness, I wonder why Colin Powell hand-carried the Taliban a US check for $43 million in April 2001, complete with photo ops near the statues of Buddha that the Taliban had defaced?

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    Re: US soldier freed from captivity in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Mosby View Post
    Why would he leave his unit, where he was obviously safest, and just walk off somewhere? He is lucky they didn't cut his head off.
    He was unarmed.

    Perhaps they are more humane than the US media gives them credit for? Or maybe they just valued him as an eventual political pawn?

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    Re: US soldier freed from captivity in Afghanistan

    Six soldiers were killed while attempting to find this deserter. The Taliban attacks on our soldiers increased AFTER this scum joined the Taliban. This skunk vomit should be executed for his acts against his country and his old man be put in prison for life.

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    Re: US soldier freed from captivity in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    He was unarmed.

    Perhaps they are more humane than the US media gives them credit for? Or maybe they just valued him as an eventual political pawn?
    Or maybe he joined them willingly and provided information.
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    Re: US soldier freed from captivity in Afghanistan

    The furious search for Sergeant Bergdahl, his critics say, led to the deaths of at least two soldiers and possibly six others in the area. Pentagon officials say those charges are unsubstantiated and are not supported by a review of a database of casualties in the Afghan war.

    “Yes, I’m angry,” Joshua Cornelison, a former medic in Sergeant Bergdahl’s platoon, said in an interview on Monday arranged by Republican strategists. “Everything that we did in those days was to advance the search for Bergdahl. If we were doing some mission and there was a reliable report that Bergdahl was somewhere, our orders were that we were to quit that mission and follow that report.”

    Sergeant Bergdahl slipped away from his outpost, the former senior officer said, possibly on foot but more likely hiding in a contractor’s vehicle. “He didn’t walk out the gate through a checkpoint, and there was no evidence he breached the perimeter wire and left that way,” the ex-officer said.

    It was not until the 9 a.m. roll call on June 30 that the 29 soldiers of Second Platoon, Blackfoot Company, learned he was gone.

    “I was woken up by my platoon leader,” said Mr. Cornelison, who had gone to sleep just three hours before after serving watch from 11 p.m. to 2 a.m. “Hey Doc,” his platoon leader said. “Have you seen Bergdahl?”

    The soldiers began a frantic search for Sergeant Bergdahl using Predator drones, Apache attack helicopters and military tracking dogs. The most intense search operation, leaked war reports show, wound down after eight days — well before the deaths of six soldiers on patrols in Paktika Province in late August and early September. But, complicating matters, some soldiers contend they were effectively searching for 90 days because of clear orders: If they heard rumors from locals that Sergeant Bergdahl might be nearby, they should patrol the area.

    A review of the database of casualties in the Afghan war suggests that Sergeant Bergdahl’s critics appear to be blaming him for every American soldier killed in Paktika Province in the four-month period that followed his disappearance.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/03/us...unit.html?_r=0


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    Re: US soldier freed from captivity in Afghanistan

    “I am still working to free all Guantanamo prisoners,” the tweet said, according to various screen grabs. The tweet was subsequently deleted. “God will repay for the death of every Afghan child, ameen.”

    In addition to calling for the release of Guantanamo detainees, Bergdahl also tweeted in solidarity with a a host of prisoners elsewhere, including abducted journalist James Foley, who was detained in Syria; Saeed Abedini, an American Christian pastor jailed in Iran; and Kenneth Bae, an American jailed in North Korea.
    The curious case of Bob Bergdahl’s apparent tweet to the Taliban


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    Re: US soldier freed from captivity in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    I'm just glad that he's free. You guys can fistfight about the partisan angle.
    I'm glad he's free, too. Right now that's the important thing.

    That doesn't mean his conduct while a prisoner or the circumstances surrounding his capture shouldn't be reviewed.
    "I believe in a Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the harmony of all that exists, but not in a God who concerns himself with the fate and actions of human beings."

    --Albert Einstein, 1929

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