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    Re: US soldier freed from captivity in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    For some, yes, that would make a difference. I also said that the propaganda from us detaining them without trial is worse than putting them on trial and sentencing them to life.
    It wouldn't make a difference for any, because they would just say the trials were rigged.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: US soldier freed from captivity in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It wouldn't make a difference for any, because they would just say the trials were rigged.
    So you are saying you know 100% that it wouldn't? Since when do you speak for every single Muslim in the ME?

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    Re: US soldier freed from captivity in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Your primary argument is that holding them without trial will make the Muslms hate us.
    Yes, that's what's said, but I'm not so sure.

    If you look at the culture that the Islamic extremists put into place when they gain control of an area, it's Sharia based, with stoning and such, no music allowed, etc. as well as 'Morality Squads' which enforce these laws with public beatings.

    When an area is exposed to western culture, much of it bleeds in. Jeans for example, were a US / Western invention, and have since been exported to the rest of the world. Same could be said for music, movies, and many other cultural aspects, all of which are antithetical to Wahhabi and Islamic fundamentalism.

    Cultural tension in spades, that's for sure.

    Further, the west is more centered around the seperation of church and state, religion and laws / legal. Again, an instance where fundamental Islamic norms are antithetical.

    So I'm not sure their hate of the west can be 100% attributable to the mere holding of individuals. I'm sure the western people this would be a reason, hate another country, and it may be that we are imposing that view point or cultural framework, but I don't think it's the one that drives the Islamic fundamentals crazy, as much as the cultural aspects.
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    Re: US soldier freed from captivity in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    So you are saying you know 100% that it wouldn't? Since when do you speak for every single Muslim in the ME?
    The ones that hate us will always hate us.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: US soldier freed from captivity in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The ones that hate us will always hate us.
    And you think every single Muslim in the ME hates us. That is why your position is absurd because you claim to know the mindset of every single Muslim in the ME.

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    Re: US soldier freed from captivity in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    A lot of things that should happen will never come to pass.

    This man will never be put on trial but, on the other hand, no one will ever pin any medals on his chest.

    Some people will never accept that, but me, I'm just going to move on with my life and look at the 5 years that he spent confined by the Taliban as a down payment on what he owes those who suffered and died because of his actions.

    "What goes around, comes around."




    BTW: It doesn't really matter, but based on what I know right now I have zero sympathy for this guy.

    I do have some for his family, they didn't ask to be involved in this kerfuffle.
    The problem with that is, he may have been exactly where he wanted to be. Not much of a punishment to be captured by people you were an apologist of. It would be the equivalent of them sending me to a poker casino to do a 5 year prison term.
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    Re: US soldier freed from captivity in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Mistake post. Thought i was on another thread.
    Well, how the hell am I supposed to argue with you if you demonstrate the maturity to own up to that sort of thing!?!



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    Re: US soldier freed from captivity in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    I understand and accept that Helix's rule states that given enough time and participation, a thread about a peanut butter and jelly sandwich will turn into a flame war, but this is even more stunning.

    A POW has been released after five years in captivity, and the right is pissed off about it? Seriously?

    Five years, man.

    Five ****ing years.
    By all indications, he deserted and at least a half a dozen soldiers died looking for him. As someone on the left of center and as a veteran, I see nothing admirable about this man.
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    Re: US soldier freed from captivity in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    By all indications, he deserted and at least a half a dozen soldiers died looking for him. As someone on the left of center and as a veteran, I see nothing admirable about this man.
    I appreciate your service, and I mean that in a for real, non passive aggressive way.

    That being said, had you messed up and got captured by those assholes, I would still support cleaning out Guantanamo to get you back.

    The truth will eventually come out about this one way or the other. What makes me furious is that some immediately made this political because they hate some stupid political figure. Fox will probably spend months ripping this dude. I wonder if they've turned comments back on yet.

    Anyway, this whole ****ing thing just really rubbed me the wrong way. I see that the dude is getting out, feel relief, and say as much in the thread. Then I get swarmed by pissed off Republicans.

    Maybe this will help : **** both sides. It's one of the most piss poor choices every time I get to vote, and now one half of the duopoly has almost completely eliminated itself from consideration via its behavior.

    We need some people who want to help the country more than to promote some stupid political party label. Washington was right on when he warned about both political parties and foreign entanglements.

    Either way, I had better start making my way out of the thread. I go between annoyed and furious, and **** that.

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    Re: US soldier freed from captivity in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    The only American soldier held prisoner in Afghanistan has been freed by the Taliban in exchange for the release of 5 Afghan detainees from the U.S. prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, Obama administration officials said Saturday

    Read more here: http://news.yahoo.com/us-soldier-fre...-politics.html




    I am sure that I join everyone on this forum in wishing this young man and his family and friends the best.
    We free a possible deserter and we can"t get a marine released from a Mexican jail who received and honorable discharge as well as letting 4 Americans die in Benghazi........Go figure.
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