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    Re: US soldier freed from captivity in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Since no matter what we do they're going to hate us, what's wrong with doing what's best for us?
    What's best for us is to try them and imprison them for life or execute them. It is not in our best interest to hold them without trial as it only hurts us and is the source of propaganda against us.

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    Re: US soldier freed from captivity in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    And you know what? I just read Guderian's Panzer Leader, and he pointed out that the German High Command said the same thing to the Wehrmacht before the commencement of Operation Barbarossa, that the Soviet Union was not a signatory to [whatever agreement there was at the time - can't remember offhand what he said it was], and so they didn't have to treat Soviet prisoners like they did those from France or England. And we all know how that went for those who were taken prisoner on the Eastern Front.

    We should not use the fact that the Taliban aren't a signatory to the Geneva convention as an excuse to refuse to do prisoner exchanges anyway...because the reason we do prisoner exchanges is not about whether one is a signatory to a piece of paper. It's all about bringing our troops home, no matter what.
    Except it isnt. Its about, and always has been about, protecting the US from physical threats. Bringing soldiers home is a secondary goal. Releasing the enemy to continue the fight endangers American lives.

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    Re: US soldier freed from captivity in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    These people?
    Yes.
    Wanna bet? Take a look at our standing. There were MILLIONS that voted, there are still MILLIONS of those that hate us.

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    Re: US soldier freed from captivity in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Except it isnt. Its about, and always has been about, protecting the US from physical threats. Bringing soldiers home is a secondary goal. Releasing the enemy to continue the fight endangers American lives.
    We swapped prisoners with the North Koreans, the Chinese, and the North Vietnamese. Are you going to say they weren't our enemies? Each of them killed a lot more Americans than has al-Qaeda (or the Taliban which is NOT al-Qaeda but was the 'government' of Afghanistan when we invaded).

    Swapping prisoners is something we and other nations have done since before any of us were born.

    And here's something else to think about, guy - if we as a nation said, "We're not going to do whatever it takes to bring you home alive", what would that do to the morale of our soldiers in the field, if they knew that America might decide that they weren't worth whatever it took to bring them home alive?
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    Re: US soldier freed from captivity in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by rhinefire View Post
    Not 5 for 1. The Taliban got back five dedicated high ranking warriors bent on the destruction of America. We got back one soldier that is suspected of desertion and possibly was never a threat of any proportion to our enemies. .
    Stop calling Bergdahl a soldier. Not even the French Foreign Legion wanted him. He's a deserter.

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    Re: US soldier freed from captivity in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    [COLOR="#800000"] Did you hear Susan Rice yesterday on this issue. This woman is Joke and embarrassment to all Americans.....and BO keeps her incompetent and failed ass Right up in the Peoples face. On Purpose!
    Is Susan Rice the best liar that the Obama administration has ?

    As Obama said about judging his Presidency, "Judge me by who I surround myself with."

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    Re: US soldier freed from captivity in Afghanistan

    A few things...

    First in terms of the "put them on trial thing". When speaking about people we picked up on foreign soil due to their aiding of those seeking to attack this country....for what exactly? We're not accusing them of violating U.S. law within the U.S. How exactly? Are we supposed to be sending FBI or US Marshall personnel into a foreign country, just hope that foreign country doesn't mind it, and begin to actually launch an official investigation to gather "evidence" for a criminal trial? So essentially, when it comes to the nitty gritty, you don't want us keeping POWs because "trying" them is an unrealistic and ludicrous endevour. So congrats, what your basically saying is "if we capture someone just kill them". That's really pretty much it. You'll hem and haw about how that's not what you're advocating for. You'll keep parroting the same illogical, unrealistic, idiotic notion that only works because you're a keyboard jocky on the internet mewling on and on over something you'll never have to deal with in a realistic way, so why would anyone expect you to do anything but keep posting a cop out so you can lie to yourself that you're so much smarter and better. So congrats...we can't hold them so we kill them, thus still "ruining a life" but providing no actionable benefit to us at the same time. Wow, go you!

    Second, I'm happy for the family that they have their son back. With that said, I don't judge foreign and defense policy actions based on rainbows and lollipop emotions. I'm waiting till we have more information about this, but on the surface trading away 5 prisoners who have actively worked against the U.S. before in exchange for one american soldier, regardless of all the extra curriculors people are going back and forth about, immedietely makes me scratch my head a bit. I'm ABSOLUTELY for the family and have no issue with anyone else being happy with the family. Those criticizing people for being happy about that are being ridiculous. Those criticizing people for actually looking a foreign policy action from a policy perspective rather than whether or not it gives them a ooey gooey warm feeling in their stomachs ALSO are being ridiculous.

    Third, it does look like the Administration violated the law here on my initial review of this. You can't sign a law and at the same time sign a signing statement claiming you don't agree with the law so you're just going to ignore it, and then expect people just to accept that. This seems like the law was absolutely violated here, and the congress has a duty to it's constituents to at least take SOME kind of action. Even if that's simply getting this up to the SCOTUS to rule whether or not Obama's suggestion that the law is unconstitutional is correct, I'm fine with that. But you can't have a President sign a law, immedietely declare he will not follow said law, and then when a chance provides itself actively engages in ignoring said law...and then just shrug it off and move on. You want to claim people are being partisan for attacking the Obama Administration? Tell me how an administration wantonly and brazenly breaking a law, and suggesting people shouldn't speak negatively about that, is somehow anything other than partisan?

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    Re: US soldier freed from captivity in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    His mom is kind of good looking at least in one pic I've seen.
    Are you saying she might be a conservative ?

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    Re: US soldier freed from captivity in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Is Susan Rice the best liar that the Obama administration has ?

    As Obama said about judging his Presidency, "Judge me by who I surround myself with."
    Its a slap in the face.....what reason is there for the NSC Advisor to be out speaking on this? Real answer.....none!

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    Re: US soldier freed from captivity in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Concerning the promotions:

    POW personnel continue to be considered for promotion along with their contemporaries. Policy provides for each missing or captured officer/enlisted member to be considered for promotion to the next higher grade when they are eligible. The eligibility for officers is based on the date of rank in their current grade. For enlisted members, eligibility is based on time in grade and time in service.

    And FYI, that guy wearing the "Taliban beard" at the White House was Bergdahl's DAD - not Bergdahl himself. But I guess that beards like that are now automatically signs of being part of the Taliban and are now verboten in America - quick - somebody go arrest the stars of Duck Dynasty and half the Harley riders in America!!!!

    For the above assumptions you made, AR, you may know install a hinge in your knee so that you can begin kicking yourself in the ass.
    Half of the Harley Riders wear beards ?

    It's 2014 not 1968.

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