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    Re: US soldier freed from captivity in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    So you think holding people without trial for the rest of their lives is going to win the hearts and minds of Muslim countries?
    You think there's ANYthing we can do that will win their hearts and minds?
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    Re: US soldier freed from captivity in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    So if the enemy doesn't wear uniforms, the United States military can and should kill or permanently detain anyone arbitrarily because of it? That's kind of ridiculous isn't it? What would you think of say, Russia, arbitrarily labeling US citizens as terrorists then holding them indefinitely?

    Fair game right? Those civilians shouldn't have been wearing civilian clothes.
    They should have been executed on the battlefield.
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    Re: US soldier freed from captivity in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You think there's ANYthing we can do that will win their hearts and minds?
    No, which is why it was a dumb idea for Rumsfield to even say we could and why we shouldn't have gone in the first place. Bottom line either try them, let them go or execute them. It does no one any good keeping them there and only further hurts our standing the world community. If they were tried or executed or released the world would hate us for a time but forget eventually. Keeping them there without trial only hurts us.

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    Re: US soldier freed from captivity in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    you support holding enemy combatants for life without trial. i do not, because that does not jibe with my vision of America. we're never going to agree on this. probably should just agree to move on.
    You have a civilian vision for America which is incompatible with fighting a war. Fighting wars using civilian logic is how wars are lost.

    In the end, your vision has unleashed the same blood thirsty monsters on Afghanistan as ruled their before the first US boot hit the ground.
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    Re: US soldier freed from captivity in Afghanistan

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    You have a civilian vision for America which is incompatible with fighting a war. Fighting wars using civilian logic is how wars are lost.

    In the end, your vision has unleashed the same blood thirsty monsters on Afghanistan as ruled their before the first US boot hit the ground.
    Then put them on trial. You say they are enemy combatants and can be held then why not try them as well?

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    Re: US soldier freed from captivity in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    If I didn't oppose the death penalty, maybe I would. I agree with Helix, though, that holding these men this long without a trial is "un-American."

    I don't understand either why we returned five of theirs for one of ours.
    We did it to the Shutzstaffel after WW2. We also summarily executed prisoners. War is ugly and you can't win by playing fair, sometimes.
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    Re: US soldier freed from captivity in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    No, which is why it was a dumb idea for Rumsfield to even say we could and why we shouldn't have gone in the first place. Bottom line either try them, let them go or execute them. It does no one any good keeping them there and only further hurts our standing the world community. If they were tried or executed or released the world would hate us for a time but forget eventually. Keeping them there without trial only hurts us.
    Since no matter what we do they're going to hate us, what's wrong with doing what's best for us?
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    Re: US soldier freed from captivity in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    So you think holding people without trial for the rest of their lives is going to win the hearts and minds of Muslim countries?
    These people?

    Taliban Execution.JPG

    No.

    These people?

    Afghanistan-Elections-14.jpg

    Yes.
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    Re: US soldier freed from captivity in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    So if the enemy doesn't wear uniforms, the United States military can and should kill or permanently detain anyone arbitrarily because of it? That's kind of ridiculous isn't it? What would you think of say, Russia, arbitrarily labeling US citizens as terrorists then holding them indefinitely?

    Fair game right? Those civilians shouldn't have been wearing civilian clothes.
    ARBITRARY being the key word there. If they were locking up actual terrorists, they would be justified in doing so. Arbitrarily doing so would not be justified and they would have to answer for it under international laws.

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    Re: US soldier freed from captivity in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Do you have any other examples besides of Stockdale and Wainwright ? I didn't think so. And Gen. MacArthur did go public about Wainwright.

    Both were political.

    Glad to see you are at least making an attempt of learning history.
    Keep educating yourself.
    You might find out that someone who served before you is why you are still alive today.
    Sorry my friend you don't know what you are talking about.
    First you said its unheard of it the US military now you change it to its only done for politics.
    Here is something for you to look up. Look up the code of US fighting forces (the code of conduct) enacted in the 50s. Go to article 6 and look at what it says.
    You are just wrong there is no two ways about it.

    Maybe it is you who needs to learn some history.
    The rest of your post is just more typical rat nonsense.
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