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    Re: US soldier freed from captivity in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    That is the way things are in war, yes. This is how you are supposed to enforce uniforms and minimize targeting of civilians. By the rules of the GC, the people responsible for the detention of innocents are the Taliban who made the civilians targets by not wearing uniforms.
    So you think holding people without trial for the rest of their lives is going to win the hearts and minds of Muslim countries?

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    Re: US soldier freed from captivity in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    So if the enemy doesn't wear uniforms, the United States military can and should kill or permanently detain anyone arbitrarily because of it? That's kind of ridiculous isn't it? What would you think of say, Russia, arbitrarily labeling US citizens as terrorists then holding them indefinitely?

    Fair game right? Those civilians shouldn't have been wearing civilian clothes.
    Under the Geneva convention that is exactly the way it goes.
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    Re: US soldier freed from captivity in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Good, we only need people that see the greatness in America.
    You can criticize the actions of a country and still see greatness. The ones that REALLY hurt America are those that think America can do NO wrong or ALWAYS do wrong. both extremes are harmful to America.

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    Re: US soldier freed from captivity in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Good, we only need people that see the greatness in America.
    i don't doubt that most on both sides want to make America a better place. however, all of the hyperpartisan nonsense gets us no closer to that goal.

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    Re: US soldier freed from captivity in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    we hold plenty of monsters in prison here in the states. and we try every one of them, sometimes multiple times. indefinite detention without trial is not American.
    War is not a civilian endeavor. You don't help your case by confusing the two. Enemy combatants are subject to international law and treaties and US military law, not US civil law.

    so holding five guys indefinitely without trial is going to win us friends in the Middle East? i doubt that.
    The people who want those monsters back in Afghanistan are not, and have never been, friends of the US.

    try them or let them go.
    Repeating the statement doesn't make it any less oblivious.
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    Re: US soldier freed from captivity in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    War is not a civilian endeavor. You don't help your case by confusing the two. Enemy combatants are subject to international law and treaties and US military law, not US civil law.



    The people who want those monsters back in Afghanistan are not, and have never been, friends of the US.



    Repeating the statement doesn't make it any less oblivious.
    you support holding enemy combatants for life without trial. i do not, because that does not jibe with my vision of America. we're never going to agree on this. probably should just agree to move on.

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    Re: US soldier freed from captivity in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    .....which is..... what? write SF on a plate?
    Mistake post. Thought i was on another thread.


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    Re: US soldier freed from captivity in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    You can criticize the actions of a country and still see greatness. The ones that REALLY hurt America are those that think America can do NO wrong or ALWAYS do wrong. both extremes are harmful to America.
    We do a lot of wrong, and this hostage/deserter/POW exchange is one of them.

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    Re: US soldier freed from captivity in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Nobody is convicting him. We have the same opinion of him as his platoon mates. The people who watched their friends die trying to find him. The people who watched him ransomed for what amounts to 5 enemy generals, two of whom are UN recognized war criminals, all of whom cost even more American lives to capture.

    So no, we aren't convicting him. The deal stinks to high heaven, though, and many men have died for Bergdahl's stupidity. That is not in question.
    Are you agreeing that he has not been convicted of a crime? If so, is he presently guilty, or is he innocent until proven guilty of a crime?

    And even if he is guilty, is it or is it not our national duty to bring every soldier home?
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    Re: US soldier freed from captivity in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    So if the enemy doesn't wear uniforms, the United States military can and should kill or permanently detain anyone arbitrarily because of it? That's kind of ridiculous isn't it? What would you think of say, Russia, arbitrarily labeling US citizens as terrorists then holding them indefinitely?
    "Should" and "arbitrarily" are arguments I never made. Can you point to me where 5 of the top Taliban officials wound up in GMTO arbitrarily?

    Fair game right? Those civilians shouldn't have been wearing civilian clothes.
    I never said the civilians were fair game. The military has a much harder fight when the enemy dresses as civilians, and many more American soldiers and civilians die from the confusion brought about by the actions of the Taliban.

    In the end, it appears that the US screwed everyone over but the Taliban.

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