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    Re: US soldier freed from captivity in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    i give zero ****s about the Obama angle.
    So you don't care about anything other than 'he was a POW', even when that might not exactly be the case. Got it. Don't bother to question authority, don't bother to ever dig deeper.
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    Re: US soldier freed from captivity in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    Other people that were delayed with him saying he just walked off…. yeah, it seems there is enough proof of such a thing. Unless you want to brand several other soldiers as liars. Right?
    Has his guilt been proven in court? Or do you believe that we should start assuming guilt without a trial?

    Have you ever seen people make claims and accusations that weren't true? You really need to be careful about lending too much credence to "other people...said". There's been a LOT of people put in jail on eyewitness testimony that turned out to be wrong or an outright lie.
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    Re: US soldier freed from captivity in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    Much like we have punished those responsible for Bengahzi?
    You mean like the Republicans who refused to grant additional funding for embassy security?
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    Re: US soldier freed from captivity in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Has his guilt been proven in court? Or do you believe that we should start assuming guilt without a trial?

    Have you ever seen people make claims and accusations that weren't true? You really need to be careful about lending too much credence to "other people...said". There's been a LOT of people put in jail on eyewitness testimony that turned out to be wrong or an outright lie.
    I would certainly not disagree with your point. So you are saying there should be a trial?
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    Re: US soldier freed from captivity in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Sababa View Post
    oh look someone saw A FEW GOOD MEN
    Do you get your history from Hollywood ?

    Try General Douglas MacArthur.

    The address by General of the Army Douglas MacArthur to the cadets of the U.S. Military Academy in accepting the Sylvanus Thayer Award on 12 May 1962 is a memorable tribute to the ideals that inspired that great American soldier. For as long as other Americans serve their country as courageously and honorably as he did, General MacArthur's words will live on.

    Duty, Honor, Country


    >" No human being could fail to be deeply moved by such a tribute as this [Thayer Award]. Coming from a profession I have served so long and a people I have loved so well, it fills me with an emotion I cannot express. But this award is not intended primarily to honor a personality, but to symbolize a great moral code-a code of conduct and chivalry of those who guard this beloved land of culture and ancient descent. For all hours and for all time, it is an expression of the ethics of the American soldier. That I should be integrated in this way with so noble an ideal arouses a sense of pride, and yet of humility, which will be with me always.

    Duty, honor, country: Those three hallowed words reverently dictate what you ought to be, what you can be, what you will be. They are your rallying point to build courage when courage seems to fail, to regain faith when there seems to be little cause for faith, to create hope when hope becomes forlorn..."<

    The whole speech. -> General MacArthur's Thayer Award Speech -- Duty, Honor, Country (1962)

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    Re: US soldier freed from captivity in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    So you don't care about anything other than 'he was a POW', even when that might not exactly be the case. Got it. Don't bother to question authority, don't bother to ever dig deeper.
    I'm just glad that he's free. You guys can fistfight about the partisan angle.

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    Re: US soldier freed from captivity in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    I'm just glad that he's free. You guys can fistfight about the partisan angle.
    If it is found that he deserted his unit, he may not be free for long. At least that is my hope that if it is determined he did desert, he wont be.
    - There was never a good war, or a bad peace.
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    Re: US soldier freed from captivity in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    You mean like the Republicans who refused to grant additional funding for embassy security?
    It was proven false.....like Mullens reported. State had 2.2 Billion to fund Embassies and Protection of Posts.

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    Re: US soldier freed from captivity in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    So you don't care about anything other than 'he was a POW', even when that might not exactly be the case. Got it. Don't bother to question authority, don't bother to ever dig deeper.
    Well they could at lest check with the timeline.....huh?


    June 30, 2009
    Pfc. Bowe R. Bergdahl, 23, walks off his outpost in eastern Afghanistan
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    July 18, 2009
    Taliban releases Internet video. Bergdahl says he was captured after lagging behind during a patrol
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    Dec. 25, 2009
    Taliban releases video showing Bergdahl wearing sunglasses and a U.S. military-style uniform, including a military helmet.

    April 7, 2010

    Taliban posts a video showing Bergdahl pleading to be sent home and saying the war in Afghanistan is not worth the human cost.

    June 12, 2010
    Bergdahl is promoted to specialist
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    June 12, 2011
    Bergdahl is promoted to sergeant.

    U.S. officials receive a new video of Bergdahl that they believe was taken in the past month, indicating that he is alive. Officials said Bergdahl appeared in poorer health than in previous videos, showing the signs of his nearly five years in captivity.

    May 31, 2014
    Bergdahl is released by the Taliban in exchange for five prisoners held at the U.S. military prison in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.....snip~

    Bowe Bergdahl timeline in Afghanistan: From capture to release - The Washington Post

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    Re: US soldier freed from captivity in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    I would certainly not disagree with your point. So you are saying there should be a trial?
    If the command feels they have sufficient evidence that he walked off his post of his own volition, then yes, I feel he should stand trial. Unfortunately, even if he did desert, the military may decide not to prosecute because of the media backlash sure to follow. On the other hand, I don't think his five years of captivity was any kind of cakewalk.

    In other words, sometimes it's better to let things go. It sounds wrong to say it, but there are times when the prosecution of a crime simply isn't worth the cost. For instance, I strongly feel that Bush 43 and Cheney are war criminals (George Washington himself said that the death penalty is to be considered for those who commit torture of prisoners)...but the prosecution of the two men simply wouldn't be worth the cost. Let it go.
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