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    Re: Shinseki apologizes, gets summoned to White House for ominous meeting C

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    His lack of kicking ass is the problen I have. He would have a hell of a lot more credibility if he had fired a few people by now.
    And stopped the bonus program.

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    Re: Shinseki apologizes, gets summoned to White House for ominous meeting C

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Is the lack of oversight due to leadership or lack of manpower to do the PROPER checks on the hospitals? takes time to dig down, if the inspection teams are hard pressed to make the rounds visiting all the facilities... what sort of inspection will there be?
    It's lack of leadership. Shinseki took over the VA knowing it had problems, but he never did anything to fix the problem. No mass firing of incompetent staff, no outside audits. Nothing. He went the political rout and asked for improved metrics and the VA gave him improved metrics... that were fake, but he never bothered to double check.


    Funny thing about 'oversight', Sen McCain has been critical of the VA and it's management, he professes to be a huge supporter of vets. I can't help but wonder why he never knew about what was happening in Phoenix? It is the capital of Arizona- I guess none of his houses are there?

    I'm 125% in agreement people should be sent to prison- but every Congressman should be dressing down their chief of staff and asking- "Why in THE hell didn't I know about this from YOU!?"
    Are you saying that they didn't do that? But it is still primarily a problem for the administration and his cabinet. They were ultimately in charge of the VA. It was broken when they got there but that is no excuse for why it got worse.

    Another odd thing, I learned VERY quickly NOTHING gets the attention of the chain of command as some one stripe private writing his Congress Critter with some bitch. These are vets, they know about Congressional Inquiry- why no letter to McCain complaining about long delays in being seen? One letter might be just a bitching old troop, two and an eyebrow goes up- 12 and Papa McCain should be knocking on the door with a team of investigators...
    Do you think that McCain has any sway over the Obama Administration? More importantly, are you suggesting the the PEOPLE IN CHARGE knew less about the VA than a Senator? If that is the case then it is a failure of leadership on the part of the administration.

    I'd say it is in the best interest of a lot of people to scapegoat someone and QUICKLY...
    Probably so, but Shinseki had to go either way. To argue that a Senator knew more and had more power over the VA than the SecVA did isn't going to help the problem!

    I mean think about it, reread your post. Aren't you are really just scapegoating McCain?
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    Re: Shinseki apologizes, gets summoned to White House for ominous meeting C

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    No mass firing of incompetent staff...
    Public sector unions don't allow firing for incompetence.

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    Re: Shinseki apologizes, gets summoned to White House for ominous meeting C

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Public sector unions don't allow firing for incompetence.
    Then I guess Scott Walker should be the next President.
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    Re: Shinseki apologizes, gets summoned to White House for ominous meeting C

    Typical government bureaucracy, the guy in charge should be fired but Obammy hesitates because this is yet another episode of the dems inability to govern. Obammy is headed for the title "The Worst President In American History". His speech before the West Point grads was a disgrace. He knows zero about military affairs as he was too busy smoking reefer to go in to the service as a young whatever. Sing some Al Green for us prezz.

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    Re: Shinseki apologizes, gets summoned to White House for ominous meeting C

    Back in the day my father had Campus Insurance which became Tricare. He would get medical services at the local hospital, travel 50 miles to an army base for some medical care including for the family (I remember seeing a military doctor as a small child because I loved eating in Canteen there) and also would go to the VA hospital 2 hours away because our rural hospital was unable to do certain things. But he also went to a University Hospital and of course my mother had benefits after he died and never went to the VA hospital for treatment that I recall. Must veterans use their benefits only at VA facilities?

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    Re: Shinseki apologizes, gets summoned to White House for ominous meeting C

    The solution is obvious. Just buy a good health insurance policy for the vets and shut down the VA. Those insurance policies would cost less than 1/2 as much as the VA costs. Why are we so timid about reducing the size of government when the benefits are so obvious.

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    Re: Shinseki apologizes, gets summoned to White House for ominous meeting C

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Since when is it the job of congressional chiefs of staff to monitor this?
    Since it affects those brave men and women who go into battle the Congress approved of that now live and seek government help that the Congress Critters have dozens of 'oversight' committees trying to score political points but more to the point, live in the districts these Congress Critters are supposed to represent...

    Their job is to oversee everything from food standards to on the job safety- or are the dozens of Congressional committees news to you? Is the concept of a Congressman doing more than sitting for the photo-op pushing yet another to 'get to the bottom' of a political tug of war all you think they do?

    So you think the Congressional staff doesn't need to pay any more attention to the people who elected the politician than what push button issues can be used to stay at the public trough????

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    Re: Shinseki apologizes, gets summoned to White House for ominous meeting C

    Over Used...
    Under Staffed...
    Under Paid...
    Over Worked...

    That was my experience working at the VA and that was years ago. Best thing I did was move to a private health services company.

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    Re: Shinseki apologizes, gets summoned to White House for ominous meeting C

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Since it affects those brave men and women who go into battle the Congress approved of that now live and seek government help that the Congress Critters have dozens of 'oversight' committees trying to score political points but more to the point, live in the districts these Congress Critters are supposed to represent...

    Their job is to oversee everything from food standards to on the job safety- or are the dozens of Congressional committees news to you? Is the concept of a Congressman doing more than sitting for the photo-op pushing yet another to 'get to the bottom' of a political tug of war all you think they do?

    So you think the Congressional staff doesn't need to pay any more attention to the people who elected the politician than what push button issues can be used to stay at the public trough????
    Under what authority can congressional staffeers force government employees to submit to oversight?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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