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    Re: North Carolina GOP Pushes Unprecedented Bill to Jail Anyone Who Discloses Frackin

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    They're injecting this **** into the ground, putting my drinking water at risk. Yeah, I have a right to know what they're shoving in there.
    And if the chemicals violate the Clean Water Act, the offenders should be prosecuted.

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    Re: North Carolina GOP Pushes Unprecedented Bill to Jail Anyone Who Discloses Frackin

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Interesting.

    You see, it seems to me, we've allowed people to claim they are experts in areas they have little to no real experience or knowledge and despite these glaring voids in qualifications, allow them to set agenda's and National policies which carry significant economic impact on citizens.

    For example, we allow people who are not Chemical Engineers to determine what happens with chemicals We allow people who are not geologists to claim a couple courses in geology is sufficient to declare processes that involve geology to be unsafe.

    While it's certainly appropriate for everyone to voice an opinion, it's a bit ridiculous to allow amateurs to suggest they are experts, and allow them to set the agenda.
    Good morning, ocean515.

    When the inmates of an insane asylum are allowed to run things, I suppose this could be expected. My question is - how did this ever occur, and whatever happened to the experts? Were they simply overrun by the amateurs who yelled louder and longer - or were they put in the position of being an outcast because they didn't go along with someone's agenda? From what I read, our military is being purged the same way, and that is worrisome, because the world hasn't suddenly become a peaceful utopia where talks and meetings settle all differences. I wish that were the case, but it is not, as we are witnessing daily.

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    Re: North Carolina GOP Pushes Unprecedented Bill to Jail Anyone Who Discloses Frackin

    Why keep the individual chemcial a secret and not only the amount of every chemical? Because if a company use a lot of diffrent chemical it can be hard for another company to find out the right mixture even if it knows all the chemicals.

    Also I can't understand why rightwing american is against disclosure. First of all they don't seem to trust the goverment, so why trust them that they can do proper testing of all the wells? That people and other organization can't do effictive tests themself but have to trust the goverment. Also disclose the information can save money for the goverment. Because other organizations then the goverment can do testing around the wells.

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    Re: North Carolina GOP Pushes Unprecedented Bill to Jail Anyone Who Discloses Frackin

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    And if the chemicals violate the Clean Water Act, the offenders should be prosecuted.
    Clean Water Act? Sounds like some big government liberal plot to me.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: North Carolina GOP Pushes Unprecedented Bill to Jail Anyone Who Discloses Frackin

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Good morning, ocean515.

    When the inmates of an insane asylum are allowed to run things, I suppose this could be expected. My question is - how did this ever occur, and whatever happened to the experts? Were they simply overrun by the amateurs who yelled louder and longer - or were they put in the position of being an outcast because they didn't go along with someone's agenda? From what I read, our military is being purged the same way, and that is worrisome, because the world hasn't suddenly become a peaceful utopia where talks and meetings settle all differences. I wish that were the case, but it is not, as we are witnessing daily.
    Hi Polgara. I've been traveling quite a bit so my responses have been delayed.

    I think the answer to your question is that the experts have been allowed to be disqualified by assumptions from those who demand to have their ideas of progress trump logic and sound policy. To them, this means the experts have all bought off by the Koch Brothers and "energy" companies.

    This is why the President and the people he has put in power make unilateral rules that eliminate the objective voices of those who stand in the way of the absurdity of the Progressive agenda. It's a shame since it means economic hardship and loss of jobs, something the last 6 years have proven to be something the President and his followers care little about.

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    Re: North Carolina GOP Pushes Unprecedented Bill to Jail Anyone Who Discloses Frackin

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Hi Polgara. I've been traveling quite a bit so my responses have been delayed.

    I think the answer to your question is that the experts have been allowed to be disqualified by assumptions from those who demand to have their ideas of progress trump logic and sound policy. To them, this means the experts have all bought off by the Koch Brothers and "energy" companies.

    This is why the President and the people he has put in power make unilateral rules that eliminate the objective voices of those who stand in the way of the absurdity of the Progressive agenda. It's a shame since it means economic hardship and loss of jobs, something the last 6 years have proven to be something the President and his followers care little about.
    It's easier to talk theory than walk the walk to create jobs, I guess. What are your thoughts on the "smelt" problem that's causing water shortages for farmers out there? Dumping millions of gallons of water into the Pacific when you are in a serious drought just doesn't make sense to people here in Ohio, and we've got lots of available water. Maybe desalinization might be seriously considered now, but it's expensive - can you handle more taxes?

    Greetings, ocean515.

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    Re: North Carolina GOP Pushes Unprecedented Bill to Jail Anyone Who Discloses Frackin

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    It's easier to talk theory than walk the walk to create jobs, I guess. What are your thoughts on the "smelt" problem that's causing water shortages for farmers out there? Dumping millions of gallons of water into the Pacific when you are in a serious drought just doesn't make sense to people here in Ohio, and we've got lots of available water. Maybe desalinization might be seriously considered now, but it's expensive - can you handle more taxes?

    Greetings, ocean515.
    More taxes? Of course that has been the call for quite some time. It's always more taxes.

    Rather than broaden the tax base by focusing on meaningful job creation, the powers that be in this state would rather set maintain their progressive course, while ignoring the real damage they have caused throughout the economy.

    Imagine picking fish over people? It's unimaginable in a rational world, but then again, California has long been on an irrational course where such lunacy is considered forward thinking.

    There are some recent breakthroughs that would make desalinization more economically feasible, but that appears to be down the road quite a bit. In the mean time, I guess it's good to be a smelt, and it's bad to be a human looking to keep food on the table.

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