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Bloomberg: Universities becoming bastions of intolerance

rocket88 said:
Find the word "University" in the post I responded to.
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It was implied... it's fine if you want to play that game but the fact remains you can't find one, amirite?
 
Ockham said:
It was implied... it's fine if you want to play that game but the fact remains you can't find one, amirite?
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Basically, I found an example of a prominent Liberal being forced by pressure to give up a speaking engagement. Then I found one of a guy who is probably pretty liberal getting the same.

You choose not to accept them because they don't fit the "I'm persecuted" narrative.
 
rocket88 said:
Basically, I found an example of a prominent Liberal being forced by pressure to give up a speaking engagement. Then I found one of a guy who is probably pretty liberal getting the same.

You choose not to accept them because they don't fit the "I'm persecuted" narrative.
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It's real simple, either you can provide apples to apples or you can't. It's not your fault.
 
Jack Fabulous said:
Doubling down on a dishonest rebuttal? Lol. Some of you people are just shameless.
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please explain how exactly the rebuttal was dishonest.........
 
rocket88 said:
Basically, I found an example of a prominent Liberal being forced by pressure to give up a speaking engagement. Then I found one of a guy who is probably pretty liberal getting the same.

You choose not to accept them because they don't fit the "I'm persecuted" narrative.
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No, you failed because neither of your examples were on topic. Neither were speaking at a university or even an educational institution. Go back and read the OP.
 
Sababa said:
please explain how exactly the rebuttal was dishonest.........
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If you really need an explanation of why that was a dishonest rebuttal then you are beyond any help that I could offer.

My condolences.
 
Jack Fabulous said:
If you really need an explanation of why that was a dishonest rebuttal then you are beyond any help that I could offer.

My condolences.
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so you are just another person who makes an accusation you can't back up. It must suck to be conservative since this seems to be a trait for you guys.
 
Sababa said:
so you are just another person who makes an accusation you can't back up. It must suck to be conservative since this seems to be a trait for you guys.
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Wow, one person's post is illogically extended to apply to all conservatives. This is neither honest nor fair.
 
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Condoleezza Rice represents an administration covered in the blood of innocent people. On that ground alone, regardless of what she has to say, I would exercise my right to oppose her from speaking.
 
Paxaeon said:
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Condoleezza Rice represents an administration covered in the blood of innocent people. On that ground alone, regardless of what she has to say, I would exercise my right to oppose her from speaking.
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Would you have opposed Osama Bin Laden from speaking?
 
nota bene said:
Wow, one person's post is illogically extended to apply to all conservatives. This is neither honest nor fair.
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no i have seen it time and again...
 
Beaudreaux said:
My youngest son is a rising Senior at UNC Chapel Hill. It became painfully obvious to me a few weeks ago that he had been subjected in his education at that particular university to a lack of diversity in the ideas accepted and taught. It was not that his thought process had turned from one of analysis of all perspectives to just one of a liberal/progressive viewpoint (which it had), but that he was obviously emulating his environment at the school in his discussions with me by adopting a combative and dismissive stance of any position or idea that was not of what could be referred to as pure from the liberal or progressive ideological point of view. As I've mentioned on this forum before, he raised his voice to me and became angry and agitated that anyone would dare to question his position. I stayed calm and let him know that his position was valid to the point that I would give him the respect to listen and consider it, however, he must do the same to opposing positions, do his own analysis and research, and then make up his own mind. I told him that he should never accept anything anyone says implicitly without question nor should he dismiss out of hand opposing viewpoints simply because they are different than what he has been taught.

In other words, I saw what the OP is describing brought directly into my own house and suffered through its attempt to co-opt my own family.

To paraphrase a far right man that I didn't agree with on every issue, yet who made a funny and salient point on the Senate floor when discussing this phenomena, Senator Jesse Helms once said in regard to the liberals and progressives in the University of North Carolina: North Carolina would be a kind and wonderful state, if you put a fence around Chapel Hill.
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I have a daughter at the University of Maryland at College Park starting her Junior year. I have noticed some of the same type of behavior starting with her, but obviously not to the degree a young man may express himself, she has expressed a few ideas that I had to double take...

I have just expressed to her that no one can tell her what to believe, but only that she also make sure and not just take someone's word for anything because they are in a position of authority, ie; the professor, or teacher of the class...The foundation of a free society is the challenging of ideas, and civil disagreement...

However, I have also expressed that in some situations in classes, depending on the professor, she may need to
"go along to get along", or parrot the ideas of intolerant teachers in order to protect her Dean's list status.
 
Sababa said:
no i have seen it time and again...
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But you've never seen anyone other than a conservative make an accusation that can't be backed up?

And all conservatives make accusations that they can't back up? Come on now. Don't further embarrass yourself; better to admit that you overgeneralized than to persist in this claim.
 
nota bene said:
But you've never seen anyone other than a conservative make an accusation that can't be backed up?

And all conservatives make accusations that they can't back up? Come on now. Don't further embarrass yourself; better to admit that you overgeneralized than to persist in this claim.
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you should go back and read what I wrote. Since I didn't say all conservatives I expect you to stop lying about it.
 
Sababa said:
so you are just another person who makes an accusation you can't back up. It must suck to be conservative since this seems to be a trait for you guys.
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I didn't realize that things this obvious needed "backing up" but I guess liberals can be a little thick at times so I'll explain it slowly and without a lot of big fancy words.

The OP of this thread is dealing with a growing trend on University campuses where students, often with the guidance of faculty,(that's teachers and stuff) are displaying more intolerance to the opinions of "non-liberal" voices. In support of this point several examples of prominent conservatives being shouted down and being forced to cancel speaking engagements were cited.

When asked for an example of a similar situation involving a prominent liberal receiving similar treatment the example of Eric Holder cancelling a speech to a group of police academy graduates was given. This example is not an apples to apples comparison for two reasons. First, it was a police academy. The OP was dealing with colleges and universities. Second and most important, it was an Oklahoma citizens group that organized the protest. It wasn't affiliated with the academy or the graduates.

So to sum up, in a thread about trends on college campuses a rebuttal was offered that didn't involve a university, students, or faculty. The only similarity is that he did cancel the speaking engagement due to protest.
 
Colleges preach tolerance but practice intolerance.
 
That's because one side of conservatism (the Money) dislikes academia because their quaint humanism opposes Social Darwinism and the other (the Grassroots) because they don't respect scholarship.
 
Morality Games said:
That's because one side of conservatism (the Money) dislikes academia because their quaint humanism opposes Social Darwinism and the other (the Grassroots) because they don't respect scholarship.
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Nonsense.
 
apdst said:
I don't like Bloomberg because of his ideology, but he called this one.
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No so sure. Yes conservatives disregard facts they don't like, but his evidence here is weak. I've never been to Harvard, but voting habits and student protests wouldn't convince me. I'd need to see evidence of the schools unwillingness to listen. Rice was invited. It's not a bad thing to take protest head on. I once heard a story of Bush I doing it brilliantly.
 
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