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    Re: Bloomberg: Universities becoming bastions of intolerance

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    Thats not censorship.
    You're right; it's a rhetorical question.

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    Re: Bloomberg: Universities becoming bastions of intolerance

    There've been Several strings on this of late:
    My 5/11 WSJ one.
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/us-par...iate-mind.html

    Then two Redundant ones by the same poster in GP.
    5/16 http://www.debatepolitics.com/genera...ob-campus.html
    5/20 http://www.debatepolitics.com/genera...es-campus.html
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    Re: Bloomberg: Universities becoming bastions of intolerance

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    While someone like Rice represents a controversial foreign policy, university students need to grow up and realize you can learn from anyone in that high of a profile.

    Not all injustices are the same.
    1. Your criticism is based on the false premise that the university students who protested Rice didn't realize that they could learn from her. Perhaps they knew that they could learn from her, but decided that they did not want to because they take issue with her ideas, character or actions. Perhaps they weighed what they could learn from her against how accepting her as a speaker would reflect on them and their university and decided that the lessons she had to offer were not worth the cost of her presence at their school.

    2. Your criticism is also based on the false premise that students should accept speakers just because they could learn from them. The flaw in this logic is best exposed by an extreme example: a genocidal dictator who has held power for decades being offered to speak at a college commencement. Students could also learn from such a person - perhaps even more than they could learn from Rice - however, I think we would both agree that it would be right for students to object to such an individual speaking at their university. Why would we agree about that? Because we know that people do - and ought to - consider more than just whether or not they can learn from someone when evaluating whether or not it is appropriate or desirable to have that person welcomed to an institution.

    3. You argue that the students need to "grow up". I think it is more grown up to challenge the establishment when one disagrees with it rather than simply cower in the face of it and go along with whatever it decides as most people do.

    The bottom line is that you are expressing your distaste for those who disagree with you about Rice under the guise of making a neutral assessment of the protesters' character.

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    Re: Bloomberg: Universities becoming bastions of intolerance

    I think it is more intellectually grown up to challenge oneself and one’s own ideas and theories against contrarian views. Strengthens the good theories, you know.

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    Re: Bloomberg: Universities becoming bastions of intolerance

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    When I was in college, I took all of one political science course. The prof was very conservative and went on to be a shouting radio host. Not one student in the class had the balls to disagree with him other than me.

    College students mostly want good grades because they think it matters or something.
    So tell me then... when was the last time a prominent liberal was shouted down or was removed from a speaking engagement due to protest?

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    Re: Bloomberg: Universities becoming bastions of intolerance

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Fabulous View Post
    So tell me then... when was the last time a prominent liberal was shouted down or was removed from a speaking engagement due to protest?
    Holder cancels graduation speech amid protests | Fox News

    So about a month ago....


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    Too bad we have to observe human rights.

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    Re: Bloomberg: Universities becoming bastions of intolerance

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    I meant at a university. My bad. I assumed you would provide an example that was apples to apples.

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    Re: Bloomberg: Universities becoming bastions of intolerance

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    1. Your criticism is based on the false premise that the university students who protested Rice didn't realize that they could learn from her. Perhaps they knew that they could learn from her, but decided that they did not want to because they take issue with her ideas, character or actions. Perhaps they weighed what they could learn from her against how accepting her as a speaker would reflect on them and their university and decided that the lessons she had to offer were not worth the cost of her presence at their school.
    Students take issue with the ideas and actions of people who argue that institutional racism exists or that people like Angela Davis might have some insight worth sharing. We still expect students to be able to cope with the notion that they will be exposed to those ideas and have the speakers speak.

    Your criticism is also based on the false premise that students should accept speakers just because they could learn from them. The flaw in this logic is best exposed by an extreme example: a genocidal dictator who has held power for decades being offered to speak at a college commencement. Students could also learn from such a person - perhaps even more than they could learn from Rice - however, I think we would both agree that it would be right for students to object to such an individual speaking at their university. Why would we agree about that? Because we know that people do - and ought to - consider more than just whether or not they can learn from someone when evaluating whether or not it is appropriate or desirable to have that person welcomed to an institution.
    This isn't a genocidal person. Like I said, not all injustices are equal.

    You argue that the students need to "grow up". I think it is more grown up to challenge the establishment when one disagrees with it rather than simply cower in the face of it and go along with whatever it decides as most people do.
    Making peace with "the establishment" is part of growing up, as is being able to cope with differing perspectives.

    The bottom line is that you are expressing your distaste for those who disagree with you about Rice under the guise of making a neutral assessment of the protesters' character.
    Yet, I don't really agree with the foreign policy she espoused.
    Michael J Petrilli-"Is School Choice Enough?"-A response to the recent timidity of American conservatives toward education reform. https://nationalaffairs.com/publicat...-choice-enough

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    Re: Bloomberg: Universities becoming bastions of intolerance

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Fabulous View Post
    I meant at a university. My bad. I assumed you would provide an example that was apples to apples.
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    Don't hurt yourself.


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    Re: Bloomberg: Universities becoming bastions of intolerance

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    And that is also juvenile behavior.
    Michael J Petrilli-"Is School Choice Enough?"-A response to the recent timidity of American conservatives toward education reform. https://nationalaffairs.com/publicat...-choice-enough

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