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    1. Universities have always been places where people challenge the establishment and the status quo. All these people like Bloomberg who are acting as if such challenges are a recent development in higher education are perpetuating, or creating, a myth. More than that, they are defending status quo and the establishment under the guise of calling out "intolerance" on college campuses. In other words, people like Bloomberg aren't concerned about intolerance in higher education - they just don't like it when people push back so they find a way to demonize or minimize their critics.

    2. One of the central flaws in the recent criticism of university protests is that such criticism is most frequently rooted in the premise that the protesters haven't "considered" different opinions. This is a flawed premise because it does not acknowledge that many students have, indeed, considered different opinions, but that they have just chosen to reject them as inaccurate, immoral or inappropriate.

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    Re: Bloomberg: Universities becoming bastions of intolerance

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Is censorship of ideas you oppose a good idea intellectually?
    There's a big difference between opposing a speaker being paid public dollars to speak and promote hate, and censorship of ideas generally. I don't think opposing a speaker at a public university, and opposing the public funding of that speaker, is promotion of censorship as their views aren't being silenced, they are just being prevented from speaking in one venue. And, besides, I think censorship is good in some instances, such as the examples I described previously. I don't think people who promote genocidal violence should be allowed to express their ideas.

    Also, more generally, censorship isn't a cut and dry issue like many - including you - believe. It is much, much more nuanced.
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    Liberals have been immensely successful at infiltrating science, the media, education, and the court system. That was the gameplan, and its ugly effects are being seen now in every nook and cranny. The nation has lost its way and its soul as a result.

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    lol yes liberals infiltrated science
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    Re: Bloomberg: Universities becoming bastions of intolerance

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    lol yes liberals infiltrated science
    Yes have you not heard, as long as it is not in the bible or/and invented before 1775, then it is liberal trash and brain washing. The only truth is the one that conservatives have preached for 5000 years... obey us or die.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    1. Universities have always been places where people challenge the establishment and the status quo. All these people like Bloomberg who are acting as if such challenges are a recent development in higher education are perpetuating, or creating, a myth. More than that, they are defending status quo and the establishment under the guise of calling out "intolerance" on college campuses. In other words, people like Bloomberg aren't concerned about intolerance in higher education - they just don't like it when people push back so they find a way to demonize or minimize their critics.

    2. One of the central flaws in the recent criticism of university protests is that such criticism is most frequently rooted in the premise that the protesters haven't "considered" different opinions. This is a flawed premise because it does not acknowledge that many students have, indeed, considered different opinions, but that they have just chosen to reject them as inaccurate, immoral or inappropriate.
    While someone like Rice represents a controversial foreign policy, university students need to grow up and realize you can learn from anyone in that high of a profile.

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    Bloomberg: Universities becoming bastions of intolerance

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Is censorship of ideas you oppose a good idea intellectually?
    I prefer to call it isolationism.
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    Re: Bloomberg: Universities becoming bastions of intolerance

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    Michael Bloomberg: Universities becoming bastions of intolerance - CNN.com


    While former Mayor Bloomberg was making a commencement address, I believe the points he made went beyond even Higher Education to the larger issue of a willingness to listen to diverse viewpoints (something that also seems increasingly infrequent when it comes to discussions of politics/policy and economics). Receptivity to listen to another view point should not be confused with automatic acceptance of it. One always remains free to accept or reject messages in part or in whole. However, exposure to new or different perspectives can enrich one's own understanding, whether one is in school, at work, or simply conducting one's own life. Hence, I've added this story here. If it's the incorrect forum, it can be moved.
    So Bloomberg says something I absolutely agree with. Strangely I despise most of what he stands for such as opposition to second amendment rights and creating a nanny state to protect people from themselves by banning transfat and big gulps etc. He is a big government is here to take care of you progressive.

    But he is right on this one. The irony is that the very fact that I can recognize some truth and accuracy from a many who'se politics I hate is precisely what universities are lacking these days. It is not just the recent cancellations of high profile speakers but a creeping change in atmosphere which has been happening for years. In the name of progress or diversity or multi culturalism or whatever intolerance is precisely what universities are all about. One cannot challenge accepted views which are usually left wing.

    Speech codes which essentially make it policy to ban any expression which may offend someone is a thinly veiled attack on free speech. Now of course universities are not the government and therefore the first amendment does not apply. It is appalling however to find that they have lost any pretense at open exploration of ideas both good and bad. At the same time of course we wonder at the decline of American education.

    The examples are endless such as an individual kicked out of school for reading a book with a picture of a klansman on the cover ( offended another student ) or som guy yelling the term waterbuffaloe at some noisy girls who were disrupting his study. Not to mention the Sumners fiasco at Harvard where he suggested a logical and empirically supported truth which offended countless feminazis on the faculty.

    Students in the sixties took pride in challeniging the system, establishment and status quo. Only to turn around years later and act like the very fascists they acuse others of being.

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    Re: Bloomberg: Universities becoming bastions of intolerance

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    Also, more generally, censorship isn't a cut and dry issue like many - including you - believe. It is much, much more nuanced.
    You presume far too much. You have no idea what I believe about censorship because I have never spoken of it in any post here at DP. Interesting, however, that you chose to "interpret" what was a simple rhetorical question.

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    Re: Bloomberg: Universities becoming bastions of intolerance

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Is censorship of ideas you oppose a good idea intellectually?
    Thats not censorship.


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