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    Re: Bloomberg: Universities becoming bastions of intolerance

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Bloomberg "In each case, liberals silenced a voice -- and denied an honorary degree -- to individuals they deemed politically objectionable. This is an outrage," Bloomberg said to applause.

    Honorary degrees or invitations to be a commencement speaker are honors that should only go to honorable people. Those are not opportunities for open debate. It is perfectly legitimate for the members of an institution giving an honor to protest when they are not consulted and an undeserving person is selected to be honored. The people that have been protested have mostly been bigots and warmongers.

    I have no problem with protests, I do not support shouting down a speaker so that they can not be heard when it is not an event to honor an undeserving person.
    Are you saying that Condi Rice is not an honorable person? There is no evidence Universities are only interested in hiring honorable people or allowing only honorable to speak.

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    Re: Bloomberg: Universities becoming bastions of intolerance

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    Are you saying that Condi Rice is not an honorable person? There is no evidence Universities are only interested in hiring honorable people or allowing only honorable to speak.
    Yes. Condi Rice is a liar who helped drag us into an unnecessary war.

    Honorary degrees or invitations to be a commencement speaker are honors that should only go to honorable people. Other speaking engagements do not need to go to only honorable people. It is appropriate to protest against the views of these other speakers, but not to shout them down or otherwise try to prevent them from speaking or being heard.

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    Re: Bloomberg: Universities becoming bastions of intolerance

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    Michael Bloomberg: Universities becoming bastions of intolerance - CNN.com


    While former Mayor Bloomberg was making a commencement address, I believe the points he made went beyond even Higher Education to the larger issue of a willingness to listen to diverse viewpoints (something that also seems increasingly infrequent when it comes to discussions of politics/policy and economics). Receptivity to listen to another view point should not be confused with automatic acceptance of it. One always remains free to accept or reject messages in part or in whole. However, exposure to new or different perspectives can enrich one's own understanding, whether one is in school, at work, or simply conducting one's own life. Hence, I've added this story here. If it's the incorrect forum, it can be moved.
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    whereupon Jack Hays decided it was gonna be His idea, but in GP.
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    Re: Bloomberg: Universities becoming bastions of intolerance

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Yes. Condi Rice is a liar who helped drag us into an unnecessary war.
    You appear to be uninformed.

    Honorary degrees or invitations to be a commencement speaker are honors that should only go to honorable people. Other speaking engagements do not need to go to only honorable people. It is appropriate to protest against the views of these other speakers, but not to shout them down or otherwise try to prevent them from speaking or being heard.
    If Condi Rice is not allowed to speak then neither should Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, John Kerry or Barrack Obama. There shouldn't have one rule for Democrats (in fact there couldn't have been any rules when Robert Byrd spoke) and another for Republicans.

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    Re: Bloomberg: Universities becoming bastions of intolerance

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    You appear to be uninformed.



    If Condi Rice is not allowed to speak then neither should Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, John Kerry or Barrack Obama. There shouldn't have one rule for Democrats (in fact there couldn't have been any rules when Robert Byrd spoke) and another for Republicans.
    Those Democrats (excluding Obama) supported the Iraq war, but they did not have access to all the information that Rice did and were not a part of the Bush II administration's campaign to sell the war with scare tactics and misleading and false information. Rice has a right to speak wherever she is invited, but she is not deserving of the prestige and honor of being a commencement speaker or being given an honorary degree.

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    Re: Bloomberg: Universities becoming bastions of intolerance

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Those Democrats (excluding Obama) supported the Iraq war, but they did not have access to all the information that Rice did and were not a part of the Bush II administration's campaign to sell the war with scare tactics and misleading and false information.
    You said the reason was that Condi Rice was a liar. So are all those other people I mentioned.

    If support of the Iraq War is your personal criteria then you'd find most Americans, at least at the beginning, would fall under that category. Three of the four politicians named were and Barrack Obama, the Taliban's Boy Toy, managed to lose both Iraq, Libya and Afghanistan to the Islamists and almost deliberately lost Egypt.

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    Re: Bloomberg: Universities becoming bastions of intolerance

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    It is unlikely that Universities would be so bold as to put their prejudices in writing but the hiring results are clear. College Faculties A Most Liberal Lot, Study Finds (washingtonpost.com)

    We should keep in mind that among those 87% 'liberals' and/or 'progressives' (who do not celebrate 'diversity') are Communists, Marxists, Marxist-Leninists, and (with variations ad infinitum) your ordinary run-of-the -mill confused leftists. By and large they are dissatisfied with the USA, but enjoy their tenure and perks.
    Again, being a majority doesn't in and of itself prove anything. And your over the top 87% number doesn't really deserve comment.

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    Re: Bloomberg: Universities becoming bastions of intolerance

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Those Democrats (excluding Obama) supported the Iraq war, but they did not have access to all the information that Rice did and were not a part of the Bush II administration's campaign to sell the war with scare tactics and misleading and false information. Rice has a right to speak wherever she is invited, but she is not deserving of the prestige and honor of being a commencement speaker or being given an honorary degree.
    When did Condi Rice lie and what information did she have that others lacked?

    Any political party which honors a member of the KKK should certainly not pass judgement on Condoleeza Rice.

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    Re: Bloomberg: Universities becoming bastions of intolerance

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Again, being a majority doesn't in and of itself prove anything.
    Actually majority decisions count for a great deal in democracies.
    And your over the top 87% number doesn't really deserve comment.
    You didn't even read the link! How do you ever expect to become knowledgeable if you don't read? Is it a left wing requirement??

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    Re: Bloomberg: Universities becoming bastions of intolerance

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Those Democrats (excluding Obama) supported the Iraq war, but they did not have access to all the information that Rice did and were not a part of the Bush II administration's campaign to sell the war with scare tactics and misleading and false information. Rice has a right to speak wherever she is invited, but she is not deserving of the prestige and honor of being a commencement speaker or being given an honorary degree.
    That is inaccurate. They had full access to the intelligence community's information and assessments. Nor did Rice lie, that is an inaccurate but feel-good charge laid by those who confuse their strong opposition to the Iraq war with the need to demonize their opposition.

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