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Gay dads' brains show activity akin to both parents': study

Some don't go back to having heterosexual relationships, that is a fact.

Maybe they weren't ever fully heterosexual then and their prison experience helped them to accept that
 
Yes you can. It's called denial. Gay attractions can be very confusing at first, because it's drilled into us that male/female go together.

No, it's not necessarily denial. The attraction just may not be there in the beginning, at least not in the conscious activity of the individual. And again, you can't say that someone is attracted to something, until they are aware that they are attracted to something.
 
Maybe they weren't ever fully heterosexual then and their prison experience helped them to accept that

If you want to say that people can be attracted to things that they are not aware of, then it is possible that everyone is homosexual, and the term then has no real meaning outside of a person being aware of it.
 
This article makes the claim that "gay men" are more attuned parents than either sex of the heterosexual alone. Interesting?

They should have contrasted that against studies of the brain activity of hetero dads who are single parents. Nothing messes with the male mind more than having to figure out what sanitary napkins to buy for his daughter. :mrgreen:
 
They should have contrasted that against studies of the brain activity of hetero dads who are single parents. Nothing messes with the male mind more than having to figure out what sanitary napkins to buy for his daughter. :mrgreen:

It doesn't mess with my mind, it's just that they tell you to buy them, then you buy something and they complain it's not what they want. That's what messes with me.
 
It doesn't mess with my mind, it's just that they tell you to buy them, then you buy something and they complain it's not what they want. That's what messes with me.

Yup. At one point I got so frustrated I bought her the biggest ones I could find, damn near pillows (she's tiny), handed her money and said, "if you don't like these YOU buy the ones that suit you".
 
They should have contrasted that against studies of the brain activity of hetero dads who are single parents. Nothing messes with the male mind more than having to figure out what sanitary napkins to buy for his daughter. :mrgreen:

I think they indicate in the article that the study did compare against single hetero dads. Personally, I'd find it more realistic if the study concluded that gay parents are just as suitable as hetero for raising children. A person's character, emotional balance and level of commitment seem like more relevant criteria than their orientation.

For me, the first time my daughter wanted to have sex would be the mental crisis. Puberty and the anatomical changes I understand, the emotional changes and rebellion are more challenging to adjust too.
 
Yup. At one point I got so frustrated I bought her the biggest ones I could find, damn near pillows (she's tiny), handed her money and said, "if you don't like these YOU buy the ones that suit you".

:lamo

Pillows! That real overnight protection for those real heavy days!!!!
 
No, it's not necessarily denial. The attraction just may not be there in the beginning, at least not in the conscious activity of the individual. And again, you can't say that someone is attracted to something, until they are aware that they are attracted to something.

For a 12 year old with gay feelings who has always been taught that guys go with girls, it can be like "why the hell do i feel this way when this person is around?" and believing it must be a phase rather than a crush. But the attractions are still there. I know all too well this is how it can go.

Often for prisoners as well, there is no attraction, just the behavior cause again they're desperate to relieve urges to screw *something* Many people can manage sex with a person they're not attracted to at all, just having the mind wander.
 
I think they indicate in the article that the study did compare against single hetero dads. Personally, I'd find it more realistic if the study concluded that gay parents are just as suitable as hetero for raising children. A person's character, emotional balance and level of commitment seem like more relevant criteria than their orientation.

For me, the first time my daughter wanted to have sex would be the mental crisis. Puberty and the anatomical changes I understand, the emotional changes and rebellion are more challenging to adjust too.

:lamo Boy howdy!

I lucked out, my daughter was going through a discovery of Christianity at the time and boldly commanded to me that she was not having sex until she was married. Smart dad I was, I took the opposite argument, guaranteeing she would stay her course. Gotta love the predictability of teenagers. :mrgreen:
 
For a 12 year old with gay feelings who has always been taught that guys go with girls, it can be like "why the hell do i feel this way when this person is around?" and believing it must be a phase rather than a crush. But the attractions are still there. I know all too well this is how it can go.

Often for prisoners as well, there is no attraction, just the behavior cause again they're desperate to relieve urges to screw *something* Many people can manage sex with a person they're not attracted to at all, just having the mind wander.

The problem with your position is that you cannot say that there is no attraction, because it is possible that the attraction is there, but the conditions have not manifested themselves such that the person is aware of the attraction. Again, you can't say someone is attracted to something, until they are aware of it.
 
:lamo

Pillows! That real overnight protection for those real heavy days!!!!

Yeah, she'd have had to shed every drop of blood in her little body to fill just one of those suckers. :lamo
 
If you want to say that people can be attracted to things that they are not aware of, then it is possible that everyone is homosexual, and the term then has no real meaning outside of a person being aware of it.

They wouldn't be attracted to opposite sex then. The term has meaning in that lack of attraction alone. Besides i didn't claim it happens to everyone. Such confusion can be common at start of puberty i would think, but not for an adult.
 
They wouldn't be attracted to opposite sex then. The term has meaning in that lack of attraction alone. Besides i didn't claim it happens to everyone. Such confusion can be common at start of puberty i would think, but not for an adult.

What I am saying is that there is no way to determine if someone is attracted to something, unless they are aware of it. And if it is the case that people can be attracted to things that they are not aware of, it is possible that everyone is homosexual, and it's just a matter of the conditions manifesting themselves such that they are aware of it.
 
Yeah, she'd have had to shed every drop of blood in her little body to fill just one of those suckers. :lamo

Might be a bit uncomfortable tho! :lamo
 
I really wonder how one goes about comparing brain activity. And not only that, but does similar "brain activity" correspond to the same cognitive experience?

All that aside, let's suppose that this is indeed true. If carried out to it's logical conclusion, could one then devise a test for males for homosexuality?

Interesting.

People can think long and hard without it being good thinking at all. I present progressives as exhibit "A" for this argument.
 
The problem with your position is that you cannot say that there is no attraction, because it is possible that the attraction is there, but the conditions have not manifested themselves such that the person is aware of the attraction. Again, you can't say someone is attracted to something, until they are aware of it.

Well i'm confused about the significance of this argument cause if you're correct, that has what bearing on orientation vs behavior? Suppose a "straight" prisoner finds a lover in prison and then gets out and like you claim, finds a male partner. Perhaps like i see from others on this site even, his "gay" relationship has more to do with not wanting to put up with women. Maybe in his desperate lack of other options he got used to the idea of being with a guy. People have a thousand reasons for their behavior. What has not changed for that prisoner, i can pretty much guarantee, is he's *still attracted to women*
 
People can think long and hard without it being good thinking at all. I present progressives as exhibit "A" for this argument.

Can you give a specific example, as in a person?
 
Well i'm confused about the significance of this argument cause if you're correct, that has what bearing on orientation vs behavior?

My position is that environmental influences and conditioning have an affect on sexuality. I gave the example of people going to prison who enter with one type of sexual behavior and exit with another. You say that they were already like that but not aware of it. I say that IF it is true that people can have a particular sexual orientation, and not be aware of it, then it is possible that every heterosexual person could be gay, and not simply be aware of it. And it may be that every homosexual person is straight, but may not be aware of it. That is so because we simply have no way of knowing, until a person is aware of it. It's not hard to understand.

Suppose a "straight" prisoner finds a lover in prison and then gets out and like you claim, finds a male partner. Perhaps like i see from others on this site even, his "gay" relationship has more to do with not wanting to put up with women.

Who on this site is gay because they don't want to put up with women? Do let me start guessing!! :lamo

Maybe in his desperate lack of other options he got used to the idea of being with a guy. People have a thousand reasons for their behavior. What has not changed for that prisoner, i can pretty much guarantee, is he's *still attracted to women*

Well, like I say, the incarceration rate for black males is high. So I know people who have been to prison. I was talking with my brother once on this subject and he told me about this guy who went to prison. When he came out, he told his girlfriend that he wanted the same thing she wanted now.
 
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This article makes the claim that "gay men" are more attuned parents than either sex of the heterosexual alone. Interesting?

More functional MRI crap. It doesn't mean anything.
 
They are not contradictory. They can have attractions that they may not have been aware of or, more likely, were denying but that were there. Their activities however do not indicate their actual attractions. The most telling evidence of prison not turning people gay or even bi is the fact that the vast majority of those who are proclaimed heterosexuals going into prison who are released from prison will go back into heterosexual relationships, longterm or just sexual after their release, even if they engaged in a good deal of same sex sexual activity while in prison.
So... activities do not indicate actual attractions while in prison, but provide the "most telling evidence" once they come out?
 
Who on this site is gay because they don't want to put up with women? Do let me start guessing!! :lamo

A few have posted they've "tried to be gay", like watching porn, cause of difficulty with women...didn't work of course. Hardly unique though. I've heard same thing from other online and offline friends. Humans are rather "homo-social" - we get along more with the same sex as we have more in common. There seems to be a growing belief (misconception in my view) that as the stigma goes away it's "easier being gay", easier to get laid, to not have to put up with emo crap from females.
 
A few have posted they've "tried to be gay", like watching porn, cause of difficulty with women...didn't work of course. Hardly unique though. I've heard same thing from other online and offline friends. Humans are rather "homo-social" - we get along more with the same sex as we have more in common. There seems to be a growing belief (misconception in my view) that as the stigma goes away it's "easier being gay", easier to get laid, to not have to put up with emo crap from females.

Maybe it's just me but I find people in general can be hard to deal with at times.
 
Uh, no, they haven't.

Perhaps it might help if you actually read the article I referred to?

How Does the Gender of Parents Matter? - Biblarz - 2010 - Journal of Marriage and Family - Wiley Online Library

"The entrenched conviction that children need both a mother and a father inflames culture wars over single motherhood, divorce, gay marriage, and gay parenting. Research to date, however, does not support this claim. Contrary to popular belief, studies have not shown that "compared to all other family forms, families headed by married, biological parents are best for children" (Popenoe, quoted in Center for Marriage and Family, p. 1).​


More from the article:

"Studies of primary caretaker married fathers; egalitarian coparenting heterosexual couples; single mother or fathers after a death divorce or desertion; heterosexual single mothers by accident or choice; lesbian mothers and gay fathers after heterosexual divorce; planned lesbian motherhood through donor insemination (DI) or adoption; planned gay fatherhood through surrogacy or coparenting with women"​

It's also not difficult to find research on adoptive parents, foster parents, kinship carers, grandparents, extended families etc

So basically your statement is just nonsense.
 
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