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    Re: Gay dads' brains show activity akin to both parents': study

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Your position is contradictory. You want to say that sexuality is a matter of what you are attracted to, but at the same time you want to say people have attraction that they are not aware of. When you are attracted to something you know it.

    People sometimes come to be disposed to sexual activity that they may previously had a repulsion for through conditioning and vice versa.
    They are not contradictory. They can have attractions that they may not have been aware of or, more likely, were denying but that were there. Their activities however do not indicate their actual attractions. The most telling evidence of prison not turning people gay or even bi is the fact that the vast majority of those who are proclaimed heterosexuals going into prison who are released from prison will go back into heterosexual relationships, longterm or just sexual after their release, even if they engaged in a good deal of same sex sexual activity while in prison.
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    Re: Gay dads' brains show activity akin to both parents': study

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    They are not contradictory. They can have attractions that they may not have been aware of or, more likely, were denying but that were there. Their activities however do not indicate their actual attractions.
    People know what they are attracted to. And you said that they have an attraction that they are not aware of. If that is indeed the case, then sexuality, at the very least, is more than a matter of what you are attracted to, because you can't say someone is attracted to something, until they are aware of it.

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    The most telling evidence of prison not turning people gay or even bi is the fact that the vast majority of those who are proclaimed heterosexuals going into prison who are released from prison will go back into heterosexual relationships, longterm or just sexual after their release, even if they engaged in a good deal of same sex sexual activity while in prison.
    The most telling evidence is people who enter the prison system not having engaged in homosexual activity, nor have demonstrated a desire to engage in it, who leave it, definitely engaging in such activity. It shows that conditioning, plays a factor, although there is much more to it than that.

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    Re: Gay dads' brains show activity akin to both parents': study

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    First of all, you or no one else has been able to conclusively demonstrate that people are born autistic. So that's a flaw. But that aside, because I really don't want to waste time on that, engagement in sexual activity is a choice. Not only that but it is something that is affected by conditioning. That is not to say that persons are NOT born with innate behavior that makes them more or less inclined towards homosexual activity, because that is definitely the case. However, sexuality can be affected by environment and conditioning, and this can be very easily demonstrated by noting that it is not uncommon for persons, who enter the prison system that have previously engaged in strictly heterosexual sex activity, leave the prison system and engage in strictly homosexual sexual activity. That is a fact.
    Yes the activity, just as homosexuals like my uncle can engage in hetero sex, is largely a choice. This is however referring to extremes where the opposite sex is absent, like in prison, or gay behavior being so stigmatized and hetero relationships being the only way to have kids (like for my uncle back then). That's not "conditioning" either but lack of other options. Those prisoners still are attracted to opposite sex and will go right back to sex with women after release, and my uncle was gay the whole time and is now living with a male partner now that his kids grew up and moved out. Orientation/sexuality doesn't change, only behavior can.

    I was always referring to the orientation. Who we're naturally attracted to under normal conditions is not the same as our behavior in long term isolation like prison or military. Even then, it's equally obvious that not everyone in prison will resort to homo sex and not every gay person is able to get busy with the opposite sex. I'd like to hear your explanation for that if orientation isn't distinct from behavior.

    We can argue about this all day, but i can assure you that handedness, eye color, race, orientation so on are not like being born with a propensity for violence, which will clearly waiver with one's upbringing, local environment, brain injury like frontal lobe, risk of getting caught and access to weapons, poverty etc.

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    Re: Gay dads' brains show activity akin to both parents': study

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    Yes the activity, just as homosexuals like my uncle can engage in hetero sex, is largely a choice. This is however referring to extremes where the opposite sex is absent, like in prison, or gay behavior being so stigmatized and hetero relationships being the only way to have kids (like for my uncle back then). That's not "conditioning" either but lack of other options. Those prisoners still are attracted to opposite sex and will go right back to sex with women after release, and my uncle was gay the whole time and is now living with a male partner now that his kids grew up and moved out. Orientation/sexuality doesn't change, only behavior can.
    Some don't go back to having heterosexual relationships, that is a fact.

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    Re: Gay dads' brains show activity akin to both parents': study

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    People know what they are attracted to. And you said that they have an attraction that they are not aware of. If that is indeed the case, then sexuality, at the very least, is more than a matter of what you are attracted to, because you can't say someone is attracted to something, until they are aware of it.
    Yes you can. It's called denial. Gay attractions can be very confusing at first, because it's drilled into us that male/female go together.

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    Re: Gay dads' brains show activity akin to both parents': study

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Some don't go back to having heterosexual relationships, that is a fact.
    Maybe they weren't ever fully heterosexual then and their prison experience helped them to accept that

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    Re: Gay dads' brains show activity akin to both parents': study

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    Yes you can. It's called denial. Gay attractions can be very confusing at first, because it's drilled into us that male/female go together.
    No, it's not necessarily denial. The attraction just may not be there in the beginning, at least not in the conscious activity of the individual. And again, you can't say that someone is attracted to something, until they are aware that they are attracted to something.

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    Re: Gay dads' brains show activity akin to both parents': study

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    Maybe they weren't ever fully heterosexual then and their prison experience helped them to accept that
    If you want to say that people can be attracted to things that they are not aware of, then it is possible that everyone is homosexual, and the term then has no real meaning outside of a person being aware of it.

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    Re: Gay dads' brains show activity akin to both parents': study

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    This article makes the claim that "gay men" are more attuned parents than either sex of the heterosexual alone. Interesting?
    They should have contrasted that against studies of the brain activity of hetero dads who are single parents. Nothing messes with the male mind more than having to figure out what sanitary napkins to buy for his daughter.

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    Re: Gay dads' brains show activity akin to both parents': study

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    They should have contrasted that against studies of the brain activity of hetero dads who are single parents. Nothing messes with the male mind more than having to figure out what sanitary napkins to buy for his daughter.
    It doesn't mess with my mind, it's just that they tell you to buy them, then you buy something and they complain it's not what they want. That's what messes with me.

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