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    Re: Gay dads' brains show activity akin to both parents': study

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    Well, that's the division I've pointed out -- how a hetero man or woman is expected or allowed to parent is different, and far more limiting. So are they spending time doing their gender roles, or spending it just being what the kid needs?

    I dunno, I'd imagine it depends on the gay guy. But I always find it a little funny when people attribute this to "femininity," given the very cold realism that many women usually face relationships and children with (and not without good reason -- they're the ones asked to give up everything). However, what we clearly see here is that neither normative role is balanced, and there's every possibility it's not natural either.
    I wondered if anyone would pick up on the normative role part. What type of child rearing, correctly brings up a person that fits into current social standards or the ability to thrive in certain roles of civilization? Meaning the typical- two parent, male/female dynamic doesn't necessitate the only way children can be raised successfully to survive. Single parents, hetero parents or gay parents are probably not as any particular group going to be better qualified than another, based on their orientation or companionship, rather more on their personality.

    I think there was a time when children raised in homes with more family members in supportive role positions and financially capabilities were a benefit. But someones orientation or marriage status isn't as important a factor as providing a caring environment with positive reinforcements.
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    Re: Gay dads' brains show activity akin to both parents': study

    Quote Originally Posted by shlunka View Post
    I did not allude to being raise in a trailer park was a better alternative (note that I said "heterosexual parents"). It is a good thing that children are being adopted, my only suggestion was that those who were raised by homosexual parents would be more prone to bullying. Due to the parents raising more egalitarian children (in the homosexual parent household)...egalitarianism IS "wierd behavior" here. Supporting gay rights where I live results in being shunned, accused of being homosexual yourself, and overall teasing for years. That's simply for supporting homosexual you, let alone having two same-gender parents. I wonder where some of the studies were conducted... I'm not against gay parents, at all.
    I know exactly what you mean. It was the same where i grew up. I was pretty much run outta town. However, it's clear to even the dumber than dirt bullies that no one can help who their parents are and it seems like every teenager is embarrassed of their parents in some way. It wouldn't be brought up much imo.

    You get bullied if you personally give off the impression of being 'weird', as it's a constant reminder. Of course if you were raised by gay parents and thus became outspoken about gay rights in a ghetto town, i'm sure you'd never hear the end of it then.

    I just didn't know if you had considered the benefits. It also helps to clarify. I like to throw in "aside from cities and college towns" to acknowledge that this is a non issue to most people now, but also remind those people that extreme homophobia is still a problem in small towns across the country. Generalizing of course but i think you'd agree.

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    Re: Gay dads' brains show activity akin to both parents': study

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    I thought it all looked familiar...your article is from 2008. Certain components could be the same like hemisphere size or hormones, but "cognitively identical" is so broad, who knows.

    To answer your other ?, I'm sure there'll come a day when orientation can be known from birth or even before with MRI or PET or whatever and that'll open some ethics debate. Last i heard though the next 'breakthru' was some experiment on sheep fetus sexuality, not humans.
    That will be a very interesting day for sure.

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    Re: Gay dads' brains show activity akin to both parents': study

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    This has been my theory for years, even before it was made public. Had alot of biology classes and studied crowd stress in wildlife.

    Anyway, I wasnt aware that they had identified the hormones...do you have any links that show they believe it's estrogen? I understand that you said it's still being researched.

    And have they identified any stage(s) during fetal development when they believe the hormones have affect/the most affect? I'd be interested in reading your sources.
    It's all stuff i've read that i don't necessarily keep saved, but there are so many by now so just quickly: "Differences in brain structure that come about from hormones and genes interacting on developing brain cells are believed to be the basis of sex differences in countless behaviors, including sexual orientation" (Garcia-Falgueras, Alicia, & Swaab, Dick F., Sexual Hormones and the Brain, op. cit., p. 24.)

    "This hypothesis is originated from countless experimental studies in non-human mammals" (http://dx.doi.org/10.1016%2Fj.tics.2010.07.005)

    "Garcia-Falgueras and Dick Swaab (2010) disagree that social conditions influence sexual orientation to a large degree. As seen in young children as well as in vervet and rhesus monkeys, sexually differentiated behavior in toy preference...these preferences can be seen as early as 3–8 months in humans" (http://dx.doi.org/10.1016%2Fj.yfrne.2011.02.007)

    The 2nd link claims it's early as week 8 in pregnancy that those hormone differences occur

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    Re: Gay dads' brains show activity akin to both parents': study

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    That will be a very interesting day for sure.
    I dunno, what do you think would come of it?

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    Re: Gay dads' brains show activity akin to both parents': study

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Anyway, I wasnt aware that they had identified the hormones...do you have any links that show they believe it's estrogen? I understand that you said it's still being researched.
    Sorry i forgot to answer the estrogen part specifically but it's the same study (1st one i cited)

    "the authors say that sexual organs are differentiated first, and then the brain is sexually differentiated "under the influence, mainly, of sex hormones such as testosterone, estrogen and progesterone on the developing brain cells and under the presence of different genes as well . . . . The changes brought about in this [p. 24:] stage are permanent. . . . "

    There's also interesting theories of other in utero factors like enlarged hypothalamus, birth order (more older brothers), being right handed

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    Re: Gay dads' brains show activity akin to both parents': study

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    I dunno, what do you think would come of it?
    Well first of all, it's not going to be possible. But let's suppose that it was. Then you could test for criminal behavior like murder. You could test for intelligence. So you could then quarantine or imprison people a priori. Train people for careers a priori.

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    Re: Gay dads' brains show activity akin to both parents': study

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Well first of all, it's not going to be possible. But let's suppose that it was. Then you could test for criminal behavior like murder. You could test for intelligence. So you could then quarantine or imprison people a priori. Train people for careers a priori.
    They tried that in the past, basing it on body types that are more prone to commit crimes. It failed because of the obvious, not everyone who is more prone than normal to do something or be a certain way will do it or be that way. That is one reason that most researchers in this area agree that it is a combination of nurture and nature that leads to our personality traits. The thing they tend to disagree on is the actual balance or amount of either one that contributes to each individual trait.
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    Re: Gay dads' brains show activity akin to both parents': study

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    They tried that in the past, basing it on body types that are more prone to commit crimes. It failed because of the obvious, not everyone who is more prone than normal to do something or be a certain way will do it or be that way. That is one reason that most researchers in this area agree that it is a combination of nurture and nature that leads to our personality traits. The thing they tend to disagree on is the actual balance or amount of either one that contributes to each individual trait.
    I wasn't aware that was actually tried. And your response was right on mark. That's why it's not possible. Even if it were possible to test for some predisposition, it would be limited to biological factors at most. But there are also other things like environment and choice, or free will.

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    Re: Gay dads' brains show activity akin to both parents': study

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Well first of all, it's not going to be possible. But let's suppose that it was. Then you could test for criminal behavior like murder. You could test for intelligence. So you could then quarantine or imprison people a priori. Train people for careers a priori.
    Sorry but you're totally off the mark with such analogy. If there is predisposition to acts like murder, that's all it is. Perhaps in the distant future they will be able to know someone is "55% likely to commit murder" and just lock them up like you say, but there's obvious environment factors.

    That's totally different from traits we are born with. If someone is born autistic, i don't see why that couldn't be determined before birth. For example, i was born allergic to certain things, eye color, handedness etc. There was no choice involved.

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