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US to keep nearly 10k troops in Afghanistan after 2014.

All that was needed was to help the Northern Alliance win and have a persistent, small presence at Bagram. That was it. Trying to nation build there was always retarded and based in a silly idea of revenge. If there was one war to actually prosecute, it was Iraq. Afghanistan should've been treated more or less like the Philippines.

too bad Al Qeada beat us to the punch and attacked the northern alliance.

Ahmed Shah Massoud, a leader of the northern alliance who could have been the leader of afghanistans new government, was assassinated by Al qeada on september 9th 2001. the date cannot be a coincidence.
 
That's true. It's for the corporate, fascist infinity war. 13 years and going! Woot. Good to see that American military might cannot win a conflict in less than a decade and counting. Oh....wait. The opposite of good.

They can; they weren't allowed to eliminate the enemy on the scale needed to bring things to a permanent conclusion.
 
They can; they weren't allowed to eliminate the enemy on the scale needed to bring things to a permanent conclusion.

Mmmm...yes. That's why it's 13 years and climbing.


pssst....that's sarcasm.
 
too bad Al Qeada beat us to the punch and attacked the northern alliance.

Ahmed Shah Massoud, a leader of the northern alliance who could have been the leader of afghanistans new government, was assassinated by Al qeada on september 9th 2001. the date cannot be a coincidence.

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Thank you? Did you think I didn't know that? The point is the invasion was always beyond stupid, and something that I get that many people in the public would support, but policy makers really should've known better.
 
I remember well Musharraf pleading with the US to please wrap up its business in Afghanistan as the US presence there was creating larger problems. That was way back in 2001.

Finish up before the fast, Musharraf urges US

October 23 2001 at 06:18am

Washington - Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf said on Monday he wanted to see the US military campaign in Afghanistan wrapped up in one month, arguing that a lengthier operation would have "negative effects" on the Muslim world.

"One would hope and wish that this campaign comes to an end before the month of Ramadan, and one would hope for restraint during the month of Ramadan because this would certainly have some negative effects in the Muslim world," Musharraf told CNN interviewer Larry King.

Muslims are expected to begin celebrating Ramadan around November 17, but US officials say they have no timetable for routing terrorism and are preparing for a long war.

The Pakistani leader - who has allowed the US military to use Pakistani airspace, offered logistical support and agreed to share intelligence - said he hoped "the military objectives, as I said, do get achieved within this duration so that the operation comes to an end".

Anti-US demonstrations have rocked Pakistan since the beginning of US and British air and missile strikes against targets in Afghanistan on October 7, with local militants accusing the US of unleashing a war against Islam.

Musharraf insisted that he and his government enjoyed broad support in Pakistan.

"But my problem arises when the same feelings - fraternal feelings - do not exist with the United States as they existed in the 1980s, when we were fighting a war in Afghanistan together."

The Pakistani president said Afghanistan's next government had to ensure unity and stability and should be the "broad-based multi-ethnic government representative of all the ethnic groups and (take) into account the ethnic composition of Afghanistan".

Asked if the Northern Alliance, currently fighting the troops of Afghanistan's ruling Taliban regime, should have a role in this body, Musharraf replied: "Well, they are a part of Afghanistan, certainly."

Finish up before the fast, Musharraf urges US - World News | IOL News | IOL.co.za
 
you forget that some of the problems in afghanistan, including the existence of the Taliban, was due to the Pakistanis meddling in the affairs of the Afghani's.

I am well aware of that. But you don't remember why Pakistan did that.
 
I frankly couldn't give a **** about the Taliban. All that was necessary was to destroy the training camps and secure an airbase with free reign in the country. Nation building was entirely unnecessary.
 
I frankly couldn't give a **** about the Taliban. All that was necessary was to destroy the training camps and secure an airbase with free reign in the country. Nation building was entirely unnecessary.

You know, we actually agree on something. Amazing!
 
No. It was a defense strategy for that part of the border.

using their secret service branch to fund terrorist raids? thats what you call defensive?

maybe the fact that Public enemy number one in the war on terror was hiding in a compound located near to the Pakistani equivelent of west point was just a big coincidence.
 
using their secret service branch to fund terrorist raids? thats what you call defensive?

maybe the fact that Public enemy number one in the war on terror was hiding in a compound located near to the Pakistani equivelent of west point was just a big coincidence.

We were talking about pre 9/11 remember?
 
Why would pre 9/11 matter? Pakistan wanted Afghanistan under its sphere of influence. That continues to this day, while India builds airbases in many of the 'stans.
 
yes.

and i am saying that many of Afghanistan's grievances have been indirectly caused by pakistan.

I don't dispute that. However, my point is that Pakistan had a reason for doing so. It's very difficult territory to control. The US can testify to this fact.
 
Afghanistan WAS the right war. The problem was, the previous administration got distracted. Obama campaigned on the idea that he would put the focus BACK on Afghanistan, draw down in Iraq and get Bin Laden.....which was all accomplished because the focus was where it should have been in the first place.

The whole Afghanistan war should have been over before GWB ever left office. I don't fault Obama for having to clean up the mess that Bush created. I do fault him for continuing it longer than necessary.

Obama has been in office almost 6 years. You are entitled to your opinion. You claim Bush left a mess and yet ignore the mess Obama is leaving. Guess liberals simply have no idea of reality and you prove it with your posts. It really is quite telling how shortsighted you are as well as your lack of understanding of what leadership is even about.
 
I don't dispute that. However, my point is that Pakistan had a reason for doing so. It's very difficult territory to control. The US can testify to this fact.

the fact they kept telling us to fund people who turned out to be terrorists fighting againist us kind of makes me wonder if there was any time that pakistan did not stab us in the back.

i think they willingly hid Osama bin laden from us.
 
I don't dispute that. However, my point is that Pakistan had a reason for doing so. It's very difficult territory to control. The US can testify to this fact.

Well...doesn't every nation have a reason for doing things? Aren't you very critical of American hegemony? But doesn't the US have a reason for doing so?
 
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