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    Re: US to keep nearly 10k troops in Afghanistan after 2014.

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    BBC News - US to keep 9,800 Afghanistan troops after 2014


    If I was an American I would be furious with this. It's going to keep coming out of the tax payers pocket and the servicemen/women over there will remain targets for the foreseeable future.
    But whats the alternative? Bring them all home? What happens when AQ moves back in? Im not really furious about troops being there, but rather with troops being there with no apparent purpose, and forgotten by the country they serve.

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    Re: US to keep nearly 10k troops in Afghanistan after 2014.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Governments obtain their legitimacy through the consent of the governed. If you are not of the governed, you have no proper say. End of story.

    But we could engage in our own propaganda if we were really interested in breaking the cycle. Building roads and schools and hospitals would go a much further way to producing a more Western sympathetic Middle East than blowing up friends and family could ever do.
    Not sure if you realize this but we have built roads, schools and hospitals over there. Lots of them. As well as irrigation projects, wells and district centers.
    Arguing from a position of ignorance is not helpful.

    With that said I do feel that the time to pull out was as soon as we said we were going to leave. The moment you tell the enemy you are quitting is the time to leave. Not years later.
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    Re: US to keep nearly 10k troops in Afghanistan after 2014.

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    The ANA and the ANP are one thing however the Taliban are still receving help from many people from village elders, afghan government and normal local people. In my opinion the only thing a continued US presence guarantees is that the Taliban will still have a western enemy to target and to use as a recruiting tool in the country.
    Poll after poll shows that the vast majority of Afghans are not favorable to the Taliban and view them as the greatest security threat facing the country. This is a vicious and dangerous minority seeking to force itself onto the majority.

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    Re: US to keep nearly 10k troops in Afghanistan after 2014.

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    Send your child, or better yet. Go their yourself.
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    Re: US to keep nearly 10k troops in Afghanistan after 2014.

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    Re: US to keep nearly 10k troops in Afghanistan after 2014.

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    BBC News - US to keep 9,800 Afghanistan troops after 2014


    If I was an American I would be furious with this. It's going to keep coming out of the tax payers pocket and the servicemen/women over there will remain targets for the foreseeable future.
    I think if keeping 10,000 troops in Afghanistan to train and help equip the Afghan military to defend themselves and stand on their own two feet so we can leave at sometime in the future it is worth. A train the trainers type program. But it shouldn't take ten years to make this happen, to accomplish that mission. This leaves me with a sneaking suspicion that we, the good old USA want our troops there for another reason. Perhaps a geopolitical reason, a home base of sorts. But when it comes to politicians, they always have sneaky agendas and the state purpose of something usually isn't.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: US to keep nearly 10k troops in Afghanistan after 2014.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    I completely support the decision to not completely abandon the ANA and the Afghan people to their fate. I hope that our presence can help make the difference in their fight against the Taliban and its allies.
    Should we become the eternal babysitters for all the countries of the world? Is 13 years not enough? You can only help someone so much, at some point they have to get off their lazy asses and do something for themselves.

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I think if keeping 10,000 troops in Afghanistan to train and help equip the Afghan military to defend themselves and stand on their own two feet so we can leave at sometime in the future it is worth. A train the trainers type program. But it shouldn't take ten years to make this happen, to accomplish that mission. This leaves me with a sneaking suspicion that we, the good old USA want our troops there for another reason. Perhaps a geopolitical reason, a home base of sorts. But when it comes to politicians, they always have sneaky agendas and the state purpose of something usually isn't.
    Do you realize that we've been "training the trainers" since we've been there? That has been our primary mission since 2003. So you're already wrong about it not taking more than 10 years. It shouldn't take that long, but here we are. How much is enough? 20? 30? 40 years?

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    Re: US to keep nearly 10k troops in Afghanistan after 2014.

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Yea, people need to show up and vote for people that wont waste out tax dollars.
    You mean vote for politicians who promise to end the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and bring all our troops home?

    Yeah, I've tried that.

    Politicians will say damn near any old thing on the stump, some of which they actually mean and other of which they're just saying because that's the way the wind is blowing at the moment.

    As far as the former is concerned, having the best of intentions in nice, but if you can't get 2/3 of everyone else with the power to change things to agree with you, you're kinda left with your hands tied.

    As far as the latter is concerned, #BringBackOurBoys might get you into the Oval Office, but legacies aren't made by having your ships sitting in port.

    All of this completely ignores the fact that the two parties who actually are going to get elected are essentially in collusion and are two sides of the same coin, so forget getting anything worthwhile done while either Democrats or Republicans are in charge of anything.

    I keep voting Libertarian or some other 3rd Party and I keep seeing my candidates lose because this country is populated by ****ing idiots.
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    Re: US to keep nearly 10k troops in Afghanistan after 2014.

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    But whats the alternative? Bring them all home? What happens when AQ moves back in? Im not really furious about troops being there, but rather with troops being there with no apparent purpose, and forgotten by the country they serve.
    You leave 10k of troops and I promise the media/ the people back home forget about them. Especially if you start engaging somewhere else.
    ‘This is not peace, it is an armistice for 20 years.’ (Ferdinand Foch. After the Treaty of Versailles, 1919).

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    Re: US to keep nearly 10k troops in Afghanistan after 2014.

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    You could stop voting for the same people.
    I voted for Johnson.

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