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    Re: US to keep nearly 10k troops in Afghanistan after 2014.

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Well...doesn't every nation have a reason for doing things? Aren't you very critical of American hegemony? But doesn't the US have a reason for doing so?
    That is true. I'm just saying, there is another side to that story.

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    Re: US to keep nearly 10k troops in Afghanistan after 2014.

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    That is true. I'm just saying, there is another side to that story.
    There's another side to every story. I think the point is that Pakistan has been attempting to get Afghanistan under its sphere of influence for decades. Of course there's reasons why- it'd be nonsensical that it would do something for no reason at all- but that doesn't change the fact itself.
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    Re: US to keep nearly 10k troops in Afghanistan after 2014.

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    There's another side to every story. I think the point is that Pakistan has been attempting to get Afghanistan under its sphere of influence for decades. Of course there's reasons why- it'd be nonsensical that it would do something for no reason at all- but that doesn't change the fact itself.
    OK. You are telling the truth. I don't argue with what I perceive to be truth.

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    Re: US to keep nearly 10k troops in Afghanistan after 2014.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Yay, you've seen something I said happens. Huzzah! And then spoke nothing to the statistics that I brought up. Great!

    Any other null factors you want to get off your chest. I'm sure there was more than 1 humanitarian effort in Afghanistan, maybe you can point that out too. That would be real helpful.

    In the post I was replying to you implied we were not doing those things. When some one says we could be doing something it implies we are not doing it.
    You also didn't bring up any statistics what so ever.
    Just because you got caught making crap up is no reason to get butt hurt.
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    Re: US to keep nearly 10k troops in Afghanistan after 2014.

    Quote Originally Posted by braindrain View Post
    In the post I was replying to you implied we were not doing those things. You also didn't bring up any statistics what so ever.
    Just because you got caught making crap up is no reason to get al snotty.
    No, this is the post you quoted

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It's not. We have had limited humanitarian efforts in some of the countries. But our major form of interventionism is military, and we've done far more damage than good.

    Arguing from a position of propaganda and hyperbole is not helpful.
    What does it say? Read it. What does it say? LIMITED HUMANITARIAN EFFORTS. Does that mean zero? No, it doesn't. What else does it say? OUR MAJOR FORM OF INTERVENTIONISM IS MILITARY. Did you read that? It seems maybe not so much. You know what that says? We have limited humanitarian efforts, but our major form of interventionism is military. That's a statistical assessment. X and Y, but more Y than X.

    Do you get it? Can you read? Can you comprehend what was written? Because it's clear as day. Just because you got caught making crap up is no reason to get all snotty.
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    Re: US to keep nearly 10k troops in Afghanistan after 2014.

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    OK. You are telling the truth. I don't argue with what I perceive to be truth.
    Just odd that you seem willing to go through the justifications for some organizations but not others.
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    Re: US to keep nearly 10k troops in Afghanistan after 2014.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    No, this is the post you quoted



    What does it say? Read it. What does it say? LIMITED HUMANITARIAN EFFORTS. Does that mean zero? No, it doesn't. What else does it say? OUR MAJOR FORM OF INTERVENTIONISM IS MILITARY. Did you read that? It seems maybe not so much. You know what that says? We have limited humanitarian efforts, but our major form of interventionism is military. That's a statistical assessment. X and Y, but more Y than X.

    Do you get it? Can you read? Can you comprehend what was written? Because it's clear as day. Just because you got caught making crap up is no reason to get all snotty.
    That is not the post that I first replied to and the fact that you changed your crap after getting called on it changes nothing. Or did you forget what you said. Here I will remind you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post

    But we could engage in our own propaganda if we were really interested in breaking the cycle. Building roads and schools and hospitals would go a much further way to producing a more Western sympathetic Middle East than blowing up friends and family could ever do.
    Nice try though
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    Re: US to keep nearly 10k troops in Afghanistan after 2014.

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Just odd that you seem willing to go through the justifications for some organizations but not others.
    It's like you are trying to find a fight. What's up with that?????????????

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    Re: US to keep nearly 10k troops in Afghanistan after 2014.

    Quote Originally Posted by braindrain View Post
    That is not the post that I first replied to and the fact that you changed your crap after getting called on it changes nothing. Or did you forget what you said. Here I will remind you.



    Nice try though
    That doesn't imply we're doing nothing. It implies that investing in propaganda along the lines of building roads and schools and hospitals would go much further to producing a more Western sympathetic Middle East that blowing up friends and family could ever do. That's a true statement. The limited humanitarian efforts we engage in (which was explained to you later in another post that you had read and replied to...well I assumed read) is not an investment in constructive propaganda. We bomb far too many, kill far too many for that to be propaganda. That's just some little thing on the side we do to try to cover our own ass, not to produce some aggregate and fundamental change in perception to a more Pro-West orientation.

    Do you not read what you're replying to? I mean, for real. Within 2 posts the majority of major questions concerning my opinion had been addressed. There was no need for this ridiculousness.
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    Re: US to keep nearly 10k troops in Afghanistan after 2014.

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    It's like you are trying to find a fight. What's up with that?????????????
    Huh??
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