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    Re: US to keep nearly 10k troops in Afghanistan after 2014.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    We're not killing people in Afghanistan, "for nothing"
    Some people are being killed for nothing.

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    Re: US to keep nearly 10k troops in Afghanistan after 2014.

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    I really feel bad for you, disney as you have hitched your wagon to one of the most incompetent Presidents ever to hold the office.
    It's been a long road. Bush and the Bush II. Maybe one day...one day...we can get some competency into the Presidency. But that hasn't been the case for decades now.
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    Re: US to keep nearly 10k troops in Afghanistan after 2014.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    We're not killing people in Afghanistan, "for nothing"
    That's true. It's for the corporate, fascist infinity war. 13 years and going! Woot. Good to see that American military might cannot win a conflict in less than a decade and counting. Oh....wait. The opposite of good.
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    Re: US to keep nearly 10k troops in Afghanistan after 2014.

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Because that is where the strongest base of Al Qaeda and the Taliban were and all indications where Bin Laden was during the planning and post events of 9/11
    All that was needed was to help the Northern Alliance win and have a persistent, small presence at Bagram. That was it. Trying to nation build there was always retarded and based in a silly idea of revenge. If there was one war to actually prosecute, it was Iraq. Afghanistan should've been treated more or less like the Philippines.
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    Re: US to keep nearly 10k troops in Afghanistan after 2014.

    Much U.S. surveillance and bombing is done by unmanned planes, also called drones. Close study of news reports suggests that the drones' accuracy has been highly exaggerated. But the Hellfire missiles they send into civilian homes are well-named; they do make each house they strike a hell on earth. Some family members are blown to pieces; others receive severe wounds that may lead to lifetime suffering. Some adult survivors, after recovery, still cannot work. In this way, one of the poorest countries in the world becomes even poorer.

    In December 2001, a Washington Post reporter described children who were severely wounded by early and mistaken U.S. bombing of just one area near Tora Bora. Casualties included Noor Mohammed, 10 years old, who "lost both eyes and both arms." An 8-year-old boy with head injuries was in a coma and had a poor prognosis. Twin toddlers, both injured, did not yet know that their father had been killed. The hospital where the children were treated had taken in 71 bombing victims of various ages. About half apparently were brought in dead or dying. (There have been many similar casualties from U.S. bombings in Iraq and Pakistan.)

    Nearly 10 years later, little had changed. In February 2010, relying on highly inaccurate reporting from drone operators in the U.S., a helicopter crew fired missiles and rockets at a pickup truck and two SUVs in southern Afghanistan. The strike killed 23 civilians men, women, and children and wounded 12 others. According to The New York Times, a U.S. report found that drone operators, working from an Air Force base in Nevada, had "tracked the convoy for 31/2 hours, but failed to notice any of the women who were riding along." U.S. intelligence analysts, watching a video feed from the drone, had sent two warnings "that children were visible." Gen. Stanley A. McChrystal, then-U.S. commander in Afghanistan, reprimanded four officers over the incident and asked Air Force leaders to investigate the drone operators. They had "reported seeing only military-age men in the truck." This raises another question, one the Times didn't address: Are all Afghan men of military age considered fair game for U.S. attacks?

    U.S. attack planes, drones and gunships have killed Afghans in homes and wedding parties. They have killed civilians trying to flee dangerous areas, men collecting scrap metal for sale, and boys gathering firewood for their families. In Nangarhar province in 2008, a U.S. plane bombed a bridal procession three times, killing the bride and 46 other people. Hajj Khan, an elderly man who survived, had been holding his grandson's hand as they walked toward the groom's village. According to a British paper, the Guardian, a bomb strike threw Mr. Khan to the ground. When he opened his eyes, he said, "I was still holding my grandson's hand but the rest of him was gone. I looked around and saw pieces of bodies everywhere."
    Drone attacks: Afghanistan's innocent victims - Baltimore Sun

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    Re: US to keep nearly 10k troops in Afghanistan after 2014.

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    All that was needed was to help the Northern Alliance win and have a persistent, small presence at Bagram. That was it. Trying to nation build there was always retarded and based in a silly idea of revenge. If there was one war to actually prosecute, it was Iraq. Afghanistan should've been treated more or less like the Philippines.
    too bad Al Qeada beat us to the punch and attacked the northern alliance.

    Ahmed Shah Massoud, a leader of the northern alliance who could have been the leader of afghanistans new government, was assassinated by Al qeada on september 9th 2001. the date cannot be a coincidence.
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    Re: US to keep nearly 10k troops in Afghanistan after 2014.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    That's true. It's for the corporate, fascist infinity war. 13 years and going! Woot. Good to see that American military might cannot win a conflict in less than a decade and counting. Oh....wait. The opposite of good.
    They can; they weren't allowed to eliminate the enemy on the scale needed to bring things to a permanent conclusion.
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    Re: US to keep nearly 10k troops in Afghanistan after 2014.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    They can; they weren't allowed to eliminate the enemy on the scale needed to bring things to a permanent conclusion.
    Mmmm...yes. That's why it's 13 years and climbing.


    pssst....that's sarcasm.
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    Re: US to keep nearly 10k troops in Afghanistan after 2014.

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    too bad Al Qeada beat us to the punch and attacked the northern alliance.

    Ahmed Shah Massoud, a leader of the northern alliance who could have been the leader of afghanistans new government, was assassinated by Al qeada on september 9th 2001. the date cannot be a coincidence.
    ???

    Thank you? Did you think I didn't know that? The point is the invasion was always beyond stupid, and something that I get that many people in the public would support, but policy makers really should've known better.
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    Re: US to keep nearly 10k troops in Afghanistan after 2014.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    They can; they weren't allowed to eliminate the enemy on the scale needed to bring things to a permanent conclusion.
    are you advocating that we should have waged total war in afghanistan?
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