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    Re: US to keep nearly 10k troops in Afghanistan after 2014.

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    Re: US to keep nearly 10k troops in Afghanistan after 2014.

    Obama missed a golden opportunity to pull all our troops out, when he killed bin Laden. He could've held up a sign "Mission Accomplished", pulled them out and declared victory.

    So today he gives a dopey foreign policy speech in which he says:

    "I believe in American exceptionalism with every fiber of my being," Obama said. "But what makes us exceptional is not our ability to flout international norms and the rule of law; it's our willingness to affirm them through our actions."
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_exceptionalism

    Now he's trying to redefine it into something not even resembling its historical meaning. "The ability to flout international law" has never been a part of it. It's totally internal. Didn't he imply that Gitmo was illegal in 2008? He keeps promising to close it, but doesn't. He's all hat and no cattle (i.e., no action). Who the hell wrote that speech?
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    Re: US to keep nearly 10k troops in Afghanistan after 2014.

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Obama missed a golden opportunity to pull all our troops out, when he killed bin Laden. He could've held up a sign "Mission Accomplished", pulled them out and declared victory.

    So today he gives a dopey foreign policy speech in which he says:



    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_exceptionalism

    Now he's trying to redefine it into something not even resembling its historical meaning. "The ability to flout international law" has never been a part of it. It's totally internal. Didn't he imply that Gitmo was illegal in 2008? He keeps promising to close it, but doesn't. He's all hat and no cattle (i.e., no action). Who the hell wrote that speech?
    Oh come on. No one care about he says, only what he does. Just ignore his speeches.

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    Re: US to keep nearly 10k troops in Afghanistan after 2014.

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Oh come on. No one care about he says, only what he does. Just ignore his speeches.
    I do, and this was about what he doesn't (do).
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    Re: US to keep nearly 10k troops in Afghanistan after 2014.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    The "Cut and Run" president strikes again..........The job is not finished...........The Taliban will be running the country 6 weeks after we are gone.
    Oh puh-lease.....can you come up with some new talking points at least. You can hardly say "Cut and Run" when Obama has had troops there for six years of his terms. The reality is with you Neo-Cons, you are not happy without endless war. When is it ever ok with withdraw troops in your mind NP? I thought your hero announced "Mission Accomplished" years and years ago.
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    Re: US to keep nearly 10k troops in Afghanistan after 2014.

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I do, and this was about what he doesn't (do).
    You care about what he says? Why?

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    Re: US to keep nearly 10k troops in Afghanistan after 2014.

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    So you take the time to cut out the rest of my argument then accuse me of not having an argument?
    I didn't mean to say that you didn't have a legitimate argument against a continued presence in Afghanistan, and if it came across that way I apologize. That one line, however, is an oft repeated canard that is used in place of actual debate. It's really just an ad hominem; it implies that only people who are personally affected by a policy have the right to an opinion on that policy without actually debating the merits of that policy.

    Imagine how ridiculous that would be if applied to other issues. I'm sure this has been said before, but what if someone stated that only pregnant women have the right to debate abortion? What if I said that only the family of shooting victims can argue gun control? That only rich people should be discussing income taxes? For some reason it seems to mostly occur in foreign policy debates, but that doesn't make it any more legitimate.
    Even still, that same statement stands. It's easy to be totally Ok with perpetual war when it has no effect on your life whatsoever. We're in this situation because we've gotten so good at shielding the American people from any effect of our wars that they no longer care enough to even demand that our politicians finish them.
    I agree here. An educated, politically knowledgeable populace is necessary, for better or worse. Unfortunately, that is easier said than done.
    You can have an opinion if you're not fit for service but seeing as how you're asking other men to die for you, you should lean towards the "not forever at war" position.
    I am, in fact, autistic and physically disabled. I'm not sure what the standards are for service in regards to physical disability, but even if I were fit for service I highly doubt that I'd be placed in harms way were I to join. Again, though, why am I morally obligated to hold a certain opinion based on that? I can't be personally involved in every single issue that I may think about.
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    Re: US to keep nearly 10k troops in Afghanistan after 2014.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I agree with your comparison, but not your conclusion.
    OK. But let's suppose that troops from Pakistan where stationed here in the US, and whites, some of whom were simply minding their own business, were being killed with Pakistani drones. I know that's not realistic, but it puts the situation somewhat in perspective.

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    Re: US to keep nearly 10k troops in Afghanistan after 2014.

    WHy doesn't Obama just get it over with and put 1,000 troops in EVERY country like the Neocons who whisper in his (and other POTUS's) ear are dying to do.

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    Re: US to keep nearly 10k troops in Afghanistan after 2014.

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    WHy doesn't Obama just get it over with and put 1,000 troops in EVERY country like the Neocons who whisper in his (and other POTUS's) ear are dying to do.
    personally i think congress should allow the authorization to use military force, which had been passed in 2001, to finally sunset. that would end our involvement in Somalia, Yemen, pakistan and other countries
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