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Mexican cooperation could have spared Marine from ordeal, say border sources

I am not making excuses, but those police officers and military that inadvertently crossed the (invisible border I would assume) were in uniform and on duty. This person who was arrested (from what I understand) was not on duty or in uniform.

I understand it was a mistake of this person but if a private person does something like this when he comes from Mexico, I would hope that the US would arrest him too and only release him after verifying his story or punishing him if he broke the US laws.

I can understand the arrest, he was a civilian on Mexican territory with several guns. We all know a lot of weapons are being smuggled from the US into Mexico and being used to spread death and violence.

As said, I do not disagree with the arrest but I do agree that he should have been released long ago.

I've inadvertently crossed the border into Tijuana myself and several others have said the same. The Mexicans should have had a policy in place for this happening by now, but change seldom comes unless action is applied.
 
Can you prove intent? Ever hear of due process?

Due process is an American invention. In Mexico one is guilty until proven innocent...sounds kinda familiar, but is no way like The
American system.

People need to know Mexico ain't the US.
 
I've inadvertently crossed the border into Tijuana myself and several others have said the same. The Mexicans should have had a policy in place for this happening by now, but change seldom comes unless action is applied.

Do you really think the Mexican government are going to change their justice systen cuz some American got caught carrying a firearm across the border?
 
Do you really think the Mexican government are going to change their justice systen cuz some American got caught carrying a firearm across the border?

No, of course not. But they can change their system when US tourists stop arriving and the State Department applies some pressure. Holding back trucks full of Mexican produce at border crossings may have quick results.
 
And some are suspected of working for the Cartels.



Yep, 72 hours...And they would have had been heard, and at the very least released on bail, most likely the prosecutor would have dropped any charges and they would have been returned.



No, we don't know that. And if you think that checking that guy's story, and that the handgun, shotgun, and AK style gun couldn't be traced easily as legal in the US, and not some nefarious sign of a gun running operation, then you are really not telling yourself the truth. The Mexican police were set to release him back to America, they were satisfied until the Mexican military puke over rode them...Why? Corrupt bastards.



So what is Obama doing about it? What is he directing his state department to do? Beg? Grovel? Even our own neighbors know how weak Obama is...

I do not imply that this soldier was smuggling weapons, far from it. I believe he made an honest mistake, but the fact is that a lot of weapons come from the US into Mexico

But a lot of weapons are smuggled from the US to Mexico and this poor man seems to be paying the price for all the people the corrupt and incompetent flat footed cops from Mexico were unable to catch. This is of course a travesty of justice, as said, and he needs to be released.

And I know the republicans love to blame Obama for every frigging thing, but a president has more important things to do than personally interfere in these kinds of cases. If he would spending a lot of time on cases like this the republicans would be lambasting him for doing that while not spending enough time to solve the problems of the nation.
 
I've inadvertently crossed the border into Tijuana myself and several others have said the same. The Mexicans should have had a policy in place for this happening by now, but change seldom comes unless action is applied.

And that is the problem with borders, especially with borders that stretch many hundreds of miles (or even thousands of miles). We have done away with borders with our neighboring countries.
 
I do not imply that this soldier was smuggling weapons, far from it. I believe he made an honest mistake, but the fact is that a lot of weapons come from the US into Mexico

No, that is not the fact. I understand that is the talking point of the anti 2nd amendment crowd, but it is far from fact.

But a lot of weapons are smuggled from the US to Mexico and this poor man seems to be paying the price for all the people the corrupt and incompetent flat footed cops from Mexico were unable to catch. This is of course a travesty of justice, as said, and he needs to be released.

What's "a lot"? I don't doubt that there is somewhat of a problem with it, but some of that problem is the administrations own damned fault with Fast and Furious. But I do agree he needs to be released.

And I know the republicans love to blame Obama for every frigging thing, but a president has more important things to do than personally interfere in these kinds of cases. If he would spending a lot of time on cases like this the republicans would be lambasting him for doing that while not spending enough time to solve the problems of the nation.

This is an international incident...It is exactly Obama's problem. I don't blame him for what Mexico did with this person, I do blame him for not publicly addressing it, or publicly telling the State Department to do all in their power to leverage the release this former Marine.

As for solving the "problems of the nation", the biggest problem this nation has right now is the current liar in office.
 
No, that is not the fact. I understand that is the talking point of the anti 2nd amendment crowd, but it is far from fact.

Well, it is not far from a fact, some might deny it but that is utter utter utter nonsense:



253,000 U.S. guns smuggled to Mexico annually, study finds

MEXICO CITY: 253,000 U.S. guns smuggled to Mexico annually, study finds | World | McClatchy DC

More than two percent of all firearms bought in the United States -- about 253,000 -- end up south of the border, up from 1.75 percent in 1990, according to a binational report by the Trans-Border Institute in San Diego and the Igarape Institute, a research center in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil.

More than 250,000 Guns A Year Illegally Smuggled Into Mexico, Study Finds | Fox News Latino

The Romanian AKs — sold by Florida-based Century International Arms as the WASR-10 — have become the most common gun purchased in the United States since 2006 to be traced to crimes in Mexico, according to a review by the Center for Public Integrity, InSight, the Investigative Reporting Workshop at the American University School of Communication, PBS’ FRONTLINE and the Romanian Centre for Investigative Journalism.

Romanian weapons modified in the U.S. become scourge of Mexican drug war | Center for Public Integrity

Tracing Technology Tools in Action

Tracing Data

ATF and its Mexican partners have increased their tracings of firearms seized in Mexico through the e-Trace program, providing valuable intelligence and tracing data to U.S. and Mexican authorities
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3,216 traces in FY2007
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7,194 traces in FY2008
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28,415 traces in FY2009
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39,369 traces in FY2010

http://photos.state.gov/libraries/mexico/310329/7abril/Arms%20Trafficking%20April%202011%20Final.pdf

The cartels are obtaining arms from America by using "straw man" buyers, who legally purchase weapons at gun shops and gun shows in the U.S. The weapons cross into Mexico, where border security is much weaker heading south of the border than it is going north.

Mexican Drug Cartels Armed to the Hilt, Threatening National Security | Fox News

A criminal complaint obtained by Breitbart Texas states that more than 30 firearms were seized in connection with the weapons smuggling ring after a Dodge Ram leaving Houston was pulled over on the side of the road. $26,000 cash was also reportedly seized by authorities.

The truck's driver told officials that "he picked up the truck that was loaded with firearms from the Houston, Texas area and was instructed to drive them to McAllen...Once he was in McAllen, he would receive a phone call telling him where to drop off the vehicle...The vehicle would then be taken to Mexico."

Texas Gun Smuggling Ring with Ties to Mexico Busted

What's "a lot"? I don't doubt that there is somewhat of a problem with it, but some of that problem is the administrations own damned fault with Fast and Furious. But I do agree he needs to be released.

It is a lot and yes the US government is partly to blame.


This is an international incident...It is exactly Obama's problem. I don't blame him for what Mexico did with this person, I do blame him for not publicly addressing it, or publicly telling the State Department to do all in their power to leverage the release this former Marine.

As for solving the "problems of the nation", the biggest problem this nation has right now is the current liar in office.

International mini-tiny incident, a big incident for this boy and his family but this is a case for the state department and the embassy, not the president of the United States.

And you can think he is the biggest problem, I think it is the liars/crooks and obstructionists in congress.
 
I do not imply that this soldier was smuggling weapons, far from it. I believe he made an honest mistake, but the fact is that a lot of weapons come from the US into Mexico

But a lot of weapons are smuggled from the US to Mexico and this poor man seems to be paying the price for all the people the corrupt and incompetent flat footed cops from Mexico were unable to catch. This is of course a travesty of justice, as said, and he needs to be released.

And I know the republicans love to blame Obama for every frigging thing, but a president has more important things to do than personally interfere in these kinds of cases. If he would spending a lot of time on cases like this the republicans would be lambasting him for doing that while not spending enough time to solve the problems of the nation.

What more important thing is Obama doing?
 
So can we send ofailure to a Mexican prison for his regime enabled lots of guns to cross the border!


where is accountability
did the fellow violate mexican law?
don't do the crime if you can't do the time
 
No, it's illegal to cross the border into Mexico with a bunch of weapons in your car.

Are you saying people who cross the border illegally should just be released?
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I'm not familiar enough with the border, but how the heck do you accidentally enter another country? Was he off-road?

I'm familkar with that crossing.

There are two last minute exits and supplsedly the signage was rece tly changed. They are upgrading the crossing.

It all comes up fast. It's not implausible. I'm sure it happens regularly.
 
253,000 U.S. guns smuggled to Mexico annually, study finds
Meanwhile 6,650,000 Mexicans illegally entered the US in the last year a study was taken (2009). That's many times more people than guns being smuggled, and guns should probably be easier.
And you can think he is the biggest problem, I think it is the liars/crooks and obstructionists in congress.
It's the job of Congress to be "obstructionist" if they feel they are acting in the voter's interest. If there are crooks there you should name them. The biggest liars in the federal government are, of course, the US President, the Senate Majority leader and the Congressional Minority leader.
 
And that is the problem with borders, especially with borders that stretch many hundreds of miles (or even thousands of miles). We have done away with borders with our neighboring countries.

Which helps to explain why Geert Wilders has become so popular, despite living under armed guard, and Hirsi Ali having to flee the country for her own safety.
 
Which helps to explain why Geert Wilders has become so popular, despite living under armed guard, and Hirsi Ali having to flee the country for her own safety.

And that has what to do with the open borders? Geert Wilders is a racist hypocritical piece of excrement, he has been drawing for years on money from Israel and the US (not illegal but highly questionable in my countries politics) and now has hitched his wagon to the anti-semetic bandwagon of the Front National. Wilders will do anything for power, and FYI, he actually lost in the Netherlands.

Hirsi Ali should have been safe here but she did make it almost impossible to stay in the Netherlands, her own party was having issues with her lying on her refugee status. And although it may not have broken any laws but it is in poor taste to ask 10 year old kids to choose between the constitution and their faith and then blasting them if they choose their faith (islam) and then taunting them with the question as to whether god was a man or a woman.

She was of the opinion to root out the few muslim conservatives we should through overboard very important civil liberties to make that possible.

I may not have disliked her but she was an opportunist, she was a social democrat when it suited her need, then went to the fiscal conservative but socially neutral liberals and in the end she choose to leave and work in the US.
 
And that has what to do with the open borders? Geert Wilders is a racist hypocritical piece of excrement, he has been drawing for years on money from Israel and the US (not illegal but highly questionable in my countries politics) and now has hitched his wagon to the anti-semetic bandwagon of the Front National. Wilders will do anything for power, and FYI, he actually lost in the Netherlands.
He gets a lot of similar criticisms from Muslims for offering his opinions, though they usually are accompanied by death threats. It's seems better that the Dutch remain silent in their new borderless country.
Hirsi Ali should have been safe here but she did make it almost impossible to stay in the Netherlands, her own party was having issues with her lying on her refugee status. And although it may not have broken any laws but it is in poor taste to ask 10 year old kids to choose between the constitution and their faith and then blasting them if they choose their faith (islam) and then taunting them with the question as to whether god was a man or a woman.
Yes, yes, all the more reason to purge her from the Netherlands!

She was of the opinion to root out the few muslim conservatives we should through overboard very important civil liberties to make that possible.
Her partner was murdered on the main streets and she was forced to flee for her life in the New borderless Holland. Did you know that Amsterdam was once the city where intellectuals, writers and freethinkers once fled for their safety?

I may not have disliked her but she was an opportunist, she was a social democrat when it suited her need, then went to the fiscal conservative but socially neutral liberals and in the end she choose to leave and work in the US.
Yes, yes, Hirsi Ali was a political opportunist, had to flee for her life, and the new and improved borderless Holland is well rid of her.
 
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He gets a lot of similar criticisms from Muslims for offering his opinions, though they usually are accompanied by death threats. It's seems better that the Dutch remain silent in their new borderless country.

Death threats are never good, but his supporters make as many death threats (if not more) than muslims if someone has the audacity to disagree with Geert Wilders. And nobody stays silent in our country that has had no borders with EU members for about almost 20 years, something that I cannot call "new".

Yes, yes, all the more reason to purge her from the Netherlands!

Strange, I could have sworn I wrote that she should have been safe to remain in the Netherlands, I cannot remember I wrote that she should be purged so I do not know why you would claim that it was reasonable or acceptable that she should have been forced to leave the Netherlands. And don't get me wrong, but a fraudulent application on your visa would in the US also be reason to deport someone. Not that I think she should have been deported by she did lie and got a lot of flack from the fiscal conservative party she was a member of at the time this came out.

Her partner was murdered on the main streets and she was forced to flee for her life in the New borderless Holland. Did you know that Amsterdam was once the city where intellectuals, writers and freethinkers once fled for their safety?

Her partner? You mean Theo van Gogh, a man she made one movie with?

Theo van Gogh should still be walking around today, he might have been a disgusting excuse for a human being but that does not mean he should have been killed. He even said days before he died that he did not believe that bullet would come for him because he had too much "presence" for that to happen, and if it happens it happens.

I think van Gogh should still be alive today but I do not miss his constant stream of insults, sorry that sounds harsh but he wrote horrible things. And not just about muslims but also about jews and christians.

He spoke about jews when he wrote "copulating yellow stars in the gas chambers and that when he smelled caramel he though that they must only be burning diabetic jews".

Yes, yes, Hirsi Ali was a political opportunist, had to flee for her life, and the new and improved borderless Holland is well rid of her.

I think she is better off without the Netherlands, she has a good career now and a nice and loving family. Whether we are better off without her I do not know, but I think it is a sad thing that she left the Netherlands the way she did and for the reasons that she did.
 
Death threats are never good, but his supporters make as many death threats (if not more) than muslims if someone has the audacity to disagree with Geert Wilders. And nobody stays silent in our country that has had no borders with EU members for about almost 20 years, something that I cannot call "new".
The Netherlands have certainly changed with death threats now coming from every direction. I was in Holland when it was peaceful, and a wonderful place to be. Now, with the borders gone, something seems to have changed.
Strange, I could have sworn I wrote that she should have been safe to remain in the Netherlands, I cannot remember I wrote that she should be purged so I do not know why you would claim that it was reasonable or acceptable that she should have been forced to leave the Netherlands.
Whether or not you said she was safe in the Netherlands doesn't really matter because she clearly wasn't. Her colleague was murdered and a threat to her life pinned on his corpse. The Dutch government had to give her 24 hour protection from Muslims, and her life continues to be threatened by the same crazies today.
And don't get me wrong, but a fraudulent application on your visa would in the US also be reason to deport someone. Not that I think she should have been deported by she did lie and got a lot of flack from the fiscal conservative party she was a member of at the time this came out.
Yes, lying on her visa application was the reason behind her death threats, huh? Muslims have often used this excuse to say she is not a credible person but I think we both know that a check on any immigrant application to the Netherlands would also show a lie or two being told. Does Dutch immigration check all applications that closely?
Her partner? You mean Theo van Gogh, a man she made one movie with?
Yes. Of course he was slain on the streets by a Muslim before they could make a second.
Theo van Gogh should still be walking around today, he might have been a disgusting excuse for a human being but that does not mean he should have been killed. He even said days before he died that he did not believe that bullet would come for him because he had too much "presence" for that to happen, and if it happens it happens.
He was a 'disgusting excuse for a human being"? What an ugly thing to say about a person who cannot defend himself. This is the new Netherlands it seems.
I think van Gogh should still be alive today but I do not miss his constant stream of insults, sorry that sounds harsh but he wrote horrible things. And not just about muslims but also about jews and christians.
A lot of hate and distrust still going on in Europe.
He spoke about jews when he wrote "copulating yellow stars in the gas chambers and that when he smelled caramel he though that they must only be burning diabetic jews".
That hatred against Jewish people is not unknown in Europe. We can't even blame it ion the Muslim influence.
I think she is better off without the Netherlands, she has a good career now and a nice and loving family. Whether we are better off without her I do not know, but I think it is a sad thing that she left the Netherlands the way she did and for the reasons that she did.
Oh yes, she is the first to say she is better off without the Netherlands, much happier in the USA, and from what you say anyone can see why.
 
Simple do not use the services that employ latinos, 95% chance they are here illegally.
If you are having work done on your house demand that no latinos work on your property. Do not eat mexican food unless you cook it yourself, mexican food is like the simplest food one can make.
Once enough americans vote with there dollars things will change.
Happens all the time i have heard of stories of truckers making the wrong turn ending up at a border crossing with no way to turn around ending up in prison.
Do you see the democrates doing anything about it? hell no.

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95% chance, huh? Care to point out which orifice you pulled that statistic from?
 
He was a 'disgusting excuse for a human being"? What an ugly thing to say about a person who cannot defend himself. This is the new Netherlands it seems.

Yes, he was a disgusting excuse for a human being, not in the way he loved his family but in the manner he thought he could speak, or should I say insult people.

And I am going to have to clean up these comments because some of what he said would violate the rules here:

"If I understand experts correctly, Aïsja was nine when she was taken into the desert, married off to a pervert uncle calling himself "Muhammed". Thanks to me, the fifth column of goat ****ers will soon, in a desperate attempt to gain respect will attack your kids and mine with nerve gas, diseases and nuclear bombs."

about our royal family (the former queen Beatrix was in power then:

"Madame is genetically blighted, daddy supposedly belonged to the SA, mother was kind of religious madwoman, granny wanted to abolish parliament, granddad went piece by piece into his grave because of syphilis and sisters who torment with eyes like love sick milling stone eyes, talk to trees or get crapped on by Flipper. She is a kraut, she is a **** and she speaks the kind of Dutch that would have become common placed if Adolf Hitler would have won his struggle for a unified Europe."

about our current king:

"He is thirty years of age and doesn't have the guts to tell his mother that he loves one specific girl. The best way to get rid of our monarchy is to let Willem Alexander become king; the man is too stupid to see his own blunders and thus too incompetent to stop the tide of republicanism in the Netherlands. May her royal highness get shot through the head as soon as possible while hunting".

About a politician in the Netherlands (from the green party):

"If someone deserves cancer it is Paul Rosenmoller, the scout master of politically correct Netherlands, may the cells in his head convert into a celebrating tumor and let us then listen if there is any difference between the dribble this gentlemen spoke before he got cancer and after we were happy to learn he had cancer in the brain. Let us piss on his grave. Fraud".

about a fellow writer he said that "Leon de Winter is prostituting his being Jewish" and that he was "using the stench of Aushwitz's crematoria to give some odor to his book, ooh, it is smelling like caramel, must just be burning diabetics jews today".

about a female muslim politician:

"freedom of speech is also there for even a public slave to the goat ****ers".

And those are just a few quotes, I could fill entire threads with comments he made about catholics, jews, muslims, conservatist, liberals, social democrats and so on and so on.
 
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Yes, he was a disgusting excuse for a human being, not in the way he loved his family but in the manner he thought he could speak, or should I say insult people.

And I am going to have to clean up these comments because some of what he said would violate the rules here:

I'm really not interested in what the man had to say, but it does seem that insults in the Netherlands are taken very seriously rather than just being ignored.
 
I wonder what would happen if a Mexican citizen crossed into the US with a firearm...Would he be waved into the US by the BP?

To be clear nothing would have happend if He had crossed into Mexico without a firearm.

I'll make it easy for you, our state prisons and county jails are full of illegal immigrants arrested with firearms or having access to them, and the Feds don't do anything about it....

I would've turned around and gone the wrong way down the shoulder if I had to, to avoid going into the Mexico, I wouldn't care at that point. ticket from CHP for wrong way driving and a field sobriety test are nothing compared to jail in Mexico.
 
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I'm really not interested in what the man had to say, but it does seem that insults in the Netherlands are taken very seriously rather than just being ignored.

Well, would you like to be called a goat ****er? Or how about:

Messengers of the most backward darkness (...) religious people for who you are the first one in line to undergo the blessings of Allah in front of a firing squad (...) religious people who think queers are impure, just like women during their periods, unbelievers and all others who do not live up to the standers of that goat ****er from Mekka.

And yes, we do take insults very seriously, there is even the possibility to be prosecuted for insult of groups of people. But this is seldom used to prosecute and even more seldom that someone gets convicted of it. You must have really made a terribly insulting statement to even be prosecuted for it or have been also guilty of inciting violence towards that group of people.
 
Well, would you like to be called a goat ****er? Or how about: And yes, we do take insults very seriously, there is even the possibility to be prosecuted for insult of groups of people. But this is seldom used to prosecute and even more seldom that someone gets convicted of it. You must have really made a terribly insulting statement to even be prosecuted for it or have been also guilty of inciting violence towards that group of people.
I don't take insults seriously, at least to the level of the Muslims or the Dutch. You just insulted a dead man but you seem okay with that. 'Hate crime' legislation open the door to all sorts of abuses and we'd all better off if we just developed thicker skins.
 
I don't take insults seriously, at least to the level of the Muslims or the Dutch. You just insulted a dead man but you seem okay with that. 'Hate crime' legislation open the door to all sorts of abuses and we'd all better off if we just developed thicker skins.

So what, just because he is dead does not make him a nice person suddenly. I think it is good he spoke up for his opinion, but I disliked the manner in which he spoke and insulted people on a very very regular basis.

But although I love discussing my country, let us please get back to this poor individual in jail, I hope the state department will have good news for his family soon too.

And if you want to discuss the Netherlands with me, start a thread, lead me to it and I will be happy to discuss all things Dutch, the great things, the weird things and also the rotten and not so nice aspects of the Netherlands. I may be proud of being Dutch and a royalist but that does not mean I do not notice things that are foul in the Kingdom of the Netherlands.
 
So what, just because he is dead does not make him a nice person suddenly. I think it is good he spoke up for his opinion, but I disliked the manner in which he spoke and insulted people on a very very regular basis.

But although I love discussing my country, let us please get back to this poor individual in jail, I hope the state department will have good news for his family soon too.

And if you want to discuss the Netherlands with me, start a thread, lead me to it and I will be happy to discuss all things Dutch, the great things, the weird things and also the rotten and not so nice aspects of the Netherlands. I may be proud of being Dutch and a royalist but that does not mean I do not notice things that are foul in the Kingdom of the Netherlands.

Actually I have nothing against the Dutch and am not too interested in beginning a thread about them. I only like to get involved when Europeans get anti American. In fact I began arguing back against anti Americans in an Amsterdam bar during the 1994 World Cup. Before that I was quite polite with them, and stayed silent during their rants.
 
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