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    Re: Mexican cooperation could have spared Marine from ordeal, say border sources

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    I am not making excuses, but those police officers and military that inadvertently crossed the (invisible border I would assume) were in uniform and on duty. This person who was arrested (from what I understand) was not on duty or in uniform.

    I understand it was a mistake of this person but if a private person does something like this when he comes from Mexico, I would hope that the US would arrest him too and only release him after verifying his story or punishing him if he broke the US laws.

    I can understand the arrest, he was a civilian on Mexican territory with several guns. We all know a lot of weapons are being smuggled from the US into Mexico and being used to spread death and violence.

    As said, I do not disagree with the arrest but I do agree that he should have been released long ago.
    I've inadvertently crossed the border into Tijuana myself and several others have said the same. The Mexicans should have had a policy in place for this happening by now, but change seldom comes unless action is applied.

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    Re: Mexican cooperation could have spared Marine from ordeal, say border sources

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Can you prove intent? Ever hear of due process?
    Due process is an American invention. In Mexico one is guilty until proven innocent...sounds kinda familiar, but is no way like The
    American system.

    People need to know Mexico ain't the US.


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    Re: Mexican cooperation could have spared Marine from ordeal, say border sources

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    I've inadvertently crossed the border into Tijuana myself and several others have said the same. The Mexicans should have had a policy in place for this happening by now, but change seldom comes unless action is applied.
    Do you really think the Mexican government are going to change their justice systen cuz some American got caught carrying a firearm across the border?


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    Re: Mexican cooperation could have spared Marine from ordeal, say border sources

    Quote Originally Posted by 1750Texan View Post
    Do you really think the Mexican government are going to change their justice systen cuz some American got caught carrying a firearm across the border?
    No, of course not. But they can change their system when US tourists stop arriving and the State Department applies some pressure. Holding back trucks full of Mexican produce at border crossings may have quick results.

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    Re: Mexican cooperation could have spared Marine from ordeal, say border sources

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    And some are suspected of working for the Cartels.



    Yep, 72 hours...And they would have had been heard, and at the very least released on bail, most likely the prosecutor would have dropped any charges and they would have been returned.



    No, we don't know that. And if you think that checking that guy's story, and that the handgun, shotgun, and AK style gun couldn't be traced easily as legal in the US, and not some nefarious sign of a gun running operation, then you are really not telling yourself the truth. The Mexican police were set to release him back to America, they were satisfied until the Mexican military puke over rode them...Why? Corrupt bastards.



    So what is Obama doing about it? What is he directing his state department to do? Beg? Grovel? Even our own neighbors know how weak Obama is...
    I do not imply that this soldier was smuggling weapons, far from it. I believe he made an honest mistake, but the fact is that a lot of weapons come from the US into Mexico

    But a lot of weapons are smuggled from the US to Mexico and this poor man seems to be paying the price for all the people the corrupt and incompetent flat footed cops from Mexico were unable to catch. This is of course a travesty of justice, as said, and he needs to be released.

    And I know the republicans love to blame Obama for every frigging thing, but a president has more important things to do than personally interfere in these kinds of cases. If he would spending a lot of time on cases like this the republicans would be lambasting him for doing that while not spending enough time to solve the problems of the nation.
    Former military man (and now babysitter of Donald Trump) John Kelly, is a big loud lying empty barrel!

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    Re: Mexican cooperation could have spared Marine from ordeal, say border sources

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    I've inadvertently crossed the border into Tijuana myself and several others have said the same. The Mexicans should have had a policy in place for this happening by now, but change seldom comes unless action is applied.
    And that is the problem with borders, especially with borders that stretch many hundreds of miles (or even thousands of miles). We have done away with borders with our neighboring countries.
    Former military man (and now babysitter of Donald Trump) John Kelly, is a big loud lying empty barrel!

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    Re: Mexican cooperation could have spared Marine from ordeal, say border sources

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    I do not imply that this soldier was smuggling weapons, far from it. I believe he made an honest mistake, but the fact is that a lot of weapons come from the US into Mexico
    No, that is not the fact. I understand that is the talking point of the anti 2nd amendment crowd, but it is far from fact.

    But a lot of weapons are smuggled from the US to Mexico and this poor man seems to be paying the price for all the people the corrupt and incompetent flat footed cops from Mexico were unable to catch. This is of course a travesty of justice, as said, and he needs to be released.
    What's "a lot"? I don't doubt that there is somewhat of a problem with it, but some of that problem is the administrations own damned fault with Fast and Furious. But I do agree he needs to be released.

    And I know the republicans love to blame Obama for every frigging thing, but a president has more important things to do than personally interfere in these kinds of cases. If he would spending a lot of time on cases like this the republicans would be lambasting him for doing that while not spending enough time to solve the problems of the nation.
    This is an international incident...It is exactly Obama's problem. I don't blame him for what Mexico did with this person, I do blame him for not publicly addressing it, or publicly telling the State Department to do all in their power to leverage the release this former Marine.

    As for solving the "problems of the nation", the biggest problem this nation has right now is the current liar in office.
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    Re: Mexican cooperation could have spared Marine from ordeal, say border sources

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    No, that is not the fact. I understand that is the talking point of the anti 2nd amendment crowd, but it is far from fact.
    Well, it is not far from a fact, some might deny it but that is utter utter utter nonsense:



    253,000 U.S. guns smuggled to Mexico annually, study finds

    MEXICO CITY: 253,000 U.S. guns smuggled to Mexico annually, study finds | World | McClatchy DC

    More than two percent of all firearms bought in the United States -- about 253,000 -- end up south of the border, up from 1.75 percent in 1990, according to a binational report by the Trans-Border Institute in San Diego and the Igarape Institute, a research center in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil.

    More than 250,000 Guns A Year Illegally Smuggled Into Mexico, Study Finds | Fox News Latino

    The Romanian AKs — sold by Florida-based Century International Arms as the WASR-10 — have become the most common gun purchased in the United States since 2006 to be traced to crimes in Mexico, according to a review by the Center for Public Integrity, InSight, the Investigative Reporting Workshop at the American University School of Communication, PBS’ FRONTLINE and the Romanian Centre for Investigative Journalism.

    Romanian weapons modified in the U.S. become scourge of Mexican drug war | Center for Public Integrity

    Tracing Technology Tools in Action

    Tracing Data

    ATF and its Mexican partners have increased their tracings of firearms seized in Mexico through the e-Trace program, providing valuable intelligence and tracing data to U.S. and Mexican authorities
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    3,216 traces in FY2007
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    7,194 traces in FY2008
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    28,415 traces in FY2009
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    39,369 traces in FY2010

    http://photos.state.gov/libraries/me...11%20Final.pdf

    The cartels are obtaining arms from America by using "straw man" buyers, who legally purchase weapons at gun shops and gun shows in the U.S. The weapons cross into Mexico, where border security is much weaker heading south of the border than it is going north.

    Mexican Drug Cartels Armed to the Hilt, Threatening National Security | Fox News

    A criminal complaint obtained by Breitbart Texas states that more than 30 firearms were seized in connection with the weapons smuggling ring after a Dodge Ram leaving Houston was pulled over on the side of the road. $26,000 cash was also reportedly seized by authorities.

    The truck's driver told officials that "he picked up the truck that was loaded with firearms from the Houston, Texas area and was instructed to drive them to McAllen...Once he was in McAllen, he would receive a phone call telling him where to drop off the vehicle...The vehicle would then be taken to Mexico."

    Texas Gun Smuggling Ring with Ties to Mexico Busted

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    What's "a lot"? I don't doubt that there is somewhat of a problem with it, but some of that problem is the administrations own damned fault with Fast and Furious. But I do agree he needs to be released.
    It is a lot and yes the US government is partly to blame.


    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    This is an international incident...It is exactly Obama's problem. I don't blame him for what Mexico did with this person, I do blame him for not publicly addressing it, or publicly telling the State Department to do all in their power to leverage the release this former Marine.

    As for solving the "problems of the nation", the biggest problem this nation has right now is the current liar in office.
    International mini-tiny incident, a big incident for this boy and his family but this is a case for the state department and the embassy, not the president of the United States.

    And you can think he is the biggest problem, I think it is the liars/crooks and obstructionists in congress.
    Former military man (and now babysitter of Donald Trump) John Kelly, is a big loud lying empty barrel!

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    Re: Mexican cooperation could have spared Marine from ordeal, say border sources

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    I do not imply that this soldier was smuggling weapons, far from it. I believe he made an honest mistake, but the fact is that a lot of weapons come from the US into Mexico

    But a lot of weapons are smuggled from the US to Mexico and this poor man seems to be paying the price for all the people the corrupt and incompetent flat footed cops from Mexico were unable to catch. This is of course a travesty of justice, as said, and he needs to be released.

    And I know the republicans love to blame Obama for every frigging thing, but a president has more important things to do than personally interfere in these kinds of cases. If he would spending a lot of time on cases like this the republicans would be lambasting him for doing that while not spending enough time to solve the problems of the nation.
    What more important thing is Obama doing?

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    Re: Mexican cooperation could have spared Marine from ordeal, say border sources

    So can we send ofailure to a Mexican prison for his regime enabled lots of guns to cross the border!


    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    where is accountability
    did the fellow violate mexican law?
    don't do the crime if you can't do the time

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