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    Re: Mexican cooperation could have spared Marine from ordeal, say border sources

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Nobody needs to demonize the Mexican justice system; it is what it is: Corrupt. Always and to the bone.
    It is what it is. That is understood from the beginning.

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    Re: Mexican cooperation could have spared Marine from ordeal, say border sources

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    But it is striking isn't it? I mean all we hear from Mexico, and their various smiling spokes people is how we need to be more compassionate toward their poor citizens just looking to feed their offspring in Mexico, and how not really a big deal it is for them to come on over....Yet when one American makes a mistake, well it's straight off to Max security prison for him....
    I am not saying that they did the right thing, the guy should be released yesterday. But the Mexicans have been fighting drug cartels and might have a bit of a problem with someone coming over the border with a weapon like an AR-15. A Mexican inadvertently crossing over the US border with weapons is not that much of an issue, the second amendment allows the ownership of guns. From what I understand from this story is that he was arrested because guns are illegal in Mexico. And looking at their problems with the cartels I cannot blame them banning guns.

    But enough is enough, I doubt he had any untoward reasons for bringing those guns over the border and he should not have been held that long.
    Former military man (and now babysitter of Donald Trump) John Kelly, is a big loud lying empty barrel!

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    Re: Mexican cooperation could have spared Marine from ordeal, say border sources

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Can you prove intent? Ever hear of due process?
    He crossed the border. Sucks for him. They are going to parade him around as a arms smuggler. It isn't like the US is squeaky clean in arming criminal groups in Mexico via straw purchasers. Heck F & F will probably be used in case to prosecute him. If I was the lawyer prosecuting I know I would go there in trial.

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    Re: Mexican cooperation could have spared Marine from ordeal, say border sources

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    I am not saying that they did the right thing, the guy should be released yesterday. But the Mexicans have been fighting drug cartels and might have a bit of a problem with someone coming over the border with a weapon like an AR-15. A Mexican inadvertently crossing over the US border with weapons is not that much of an issue, the second amendment allows the ownership of guns. From what I understand from this story is that he was arrested because guns are illegal in Mexico. And looking at their problems with the cartels I cannot blame them banning guns.

    But enough is enough, I doubt he had any untoward reasons for bringing those guns over the border and he should not have been held that long.
    Article 10 of the Mexican constitution has an interesting clause in there, that you must show intent...That is an interesting term seeing as that this man declared immediately that he was stuck in the wrong lane, and didn't have any intentions of being in Mexico. He declared his legally owned guns from the start, and didn't hide them, in fact, he told the police that they could keep what ever they wanted just allow him to return to the American side...

    Now, in your post you seem to be making excuses for those Mexican police, and military that inadvertently cross our border by mistake, and are returned in tact with no serious jail time done in America for their mistakes, but other than the time involved here, think that it is perfectly fine for the Mexican Military to have stepped in and arrested this man, imprisoned him, during which time he has been mistreated in custody.

    In America, even if the situations were exactly the same, the Mexican would have had a bail hearing, probably released within 72 hours, if it hadn't already been dropped by the prosecutor looking at it considering the circumstances...

    Now we have an American Marine, Afghanistan veteran, being held and before the press got involved, mistreated by the Mexican system, yet they presume to tell us what we should be doing with their citizens that come over here illegally, and commit crime, rape, murder, sell drugs to our kids, overburden our social welfare systems? Pfft! **** them!!!

    I say we demand that he be returned NOW! or face a diplomatic nightmare.
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    Re: Mexican cooperation could have spared Marine from ordeal, say border sources

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray410 View Post
    Let's trade 20 million illegals for our guy.

    Or better yet, just threaten to send the illegals back to Mexico. He'd be released immediately.
    That would be 20 million Democrat votes going back to Mexico.

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    Re: Mexican cooperation could have spared Marine from ordeal, say border sources

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    That would be 20 million Democrat votes going back to Mexico.



    I don't have any real proof, but I do have a sneaking suspicion that's not going to happen anytime soon.

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    Re: Mexican cooperation could have spared Marine from ordeal, say border sources

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Article 10 of the Mexican constitution has an interesting clause in there, that you must show intent...That is an interesting term seeing as that this man declared immediately that he was stuck in the wrong lane, and didn't have any intentions of being in Mexico. He declared his legally owned guns from the start, and didn't hide them, in fact, he told the police that they could keep what ever they wanted just allow him to return to the American side...

    Now, in your post you seem to be making excuses for those Mexican police, and military that inadvertently cross our border by mistake, and are returned in tact with no serious jail time done in America for their mistakes, but other than the time involved here, think that it is perfectly fine for the Mexican Military to have stepped in and arrested this man, imprisoned him, during which time he has been mistreated in custody.

    In America, even if the situations were exactly the same, the Mexican would have had a bail hearing, probably released within 72 hours, if it hadn't already been dropped by the prosecutor looking at it considering the circumstances...

    Now we have an American Marine, Afghanistan veteran, being held and before the press got involved, mistreated by the Mexican system, yet they presume to tell us what we should be doing with their citizens that come over here illegally, and commit crime, rape, murder, sell drugs to our kids, overburden our social welfare systems? Pfft! **** them!!!

    I say we demand that he be returned NOW! or face a diplomatic nightmare.
    I am not making excuses, but those police officers and military that inadvertently crossed the (invisible border I would assume) were in uniform and on duty. This person who was arrested (from what I understand) was not on duty or in uniform.

    I understand it was a mistake of this person but if a private person does something like this when he comes from Mexico, I would hope that the US would arrest him too and only release him after verifying his story or punishing him if he broke the US laws.

    I can understand the arrest, he was a civilian on Mexican territory with several guns. We all know a lot of weapons are being smuggled from the US into Mexico and being used to spread death and violence.

    As said, I do not disagree with the arrest but I do agree that he should have been released long ago.
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    Re: Mexican cooperation could have spared Marine from ordeal, say border sources

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    I am not making excuses, but those police officers and military that inadvertently crossed the (invisible border I would assume) were in uniform and on duty. This person who was arrested (from what I understand) was not on duty or in uniform.
    And some are suspected of working for the Cartels.

    I understand it was a mistake of this person but if a private person does something like this when he comes from Mexico, I would hope that the US would arrest him too and only release him after verifying his story or punishing him if he broke the US laws.
    Yep, 72 hours...And they would have had been heard, and at the very least released on bail, most likely the prosecutor would have dropped any charges and they would have been returned.

    I can understand the arrest, he was a civilian on Mexican territory with several guns. We all know a lot of weapons are being smuggled from the US into Mexico and being used to spread death and violence.
    No, we don't know that. And if you think that checking that guy's story, and that the handgun, shotgun, and AK style gun couldn't be traced easily as legal in the US, and not some nefarious sign of a gun running operation, then you are really not telling yourself the truth. The Mexican police were set to release him back to America, they were satisfied until the Mexican military puke over rode them...Why? Corrupt bastards.

    As said, I do not disagree with the arrest but I do agree that he should have been released long ago.
    So what is Obama doing about it? What is he directing his state department to do? Beg? Grovel? Even our own neighbors know how weak Obama is...
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    Re: Mexican cooperation could have spared Marine from ordeal, say border sources

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    I don't have any real proof, but I do have a sneaking suspicion that's not going to happen anytime soon.
    What a shame.
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    Re: Mexican cooperation could have spared Marine from ordeal, say border sources

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    where is accountability
    did the fellow violate mexican law?
    don't do the crime if you can't do the time
    100% of all Mexicans who have entered the US illegally have broken the law and should be treated accordingly. Changing the laws to apply them more equally between Mexico and the US should be among the highest priorities of the State Department. Mexico has little to protect from Americans anyway and should be grateful that anyone even visits there at all.

    Having said this I like the Mexican people very much but the only way this corruption can cease is to respond harshly against those in power.

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