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White House mistakenly identifies CIA chief in Afghanistan

apdst said:
If the government would get it's boot off the private sector's neck, we could accomplish that. Afghanistan isn't slowing that process.
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devoting significant resources to a near perpetual state of war for almost a century is a poor use of those resources, IMO. we've done that for long enough. time to try something else.
 
shrubnose said:
Has anyone on this forum ever heard of Valerie Plame?

I guarantee you that G.W. Bush, Scooter Libby and a few other people from the Bush mis-administration are very familiar with that person.
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It was Novac with the Chicago Tribune who made it public about Valerie Plame not the Bush administration.

Two years after the story broke we found out the truth from Novac, Bush, Cheney, Libby weren't involved it was someone who worked for Sec. of State, Colin Powell who mentioned to Novac that Valerie Plame was a low level secretary/analyst who use to work for the CIA.

Plame wasn't a CIA station chief or a CIA officer or a CIA operative just a low level paper pusher who was no longer involved with the CIA.
 
Jango said:
I would assume for at least two reasons: to meet with our men & women over there & Karzai to try and iron out the future security arrangement.

Supposedly, Karzai refused to meet with President Obama.
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Hell, if I were burning some prime poppy in my hookah, I wouldn't want to meet anyone either, unless they wanted to partake in the activity too.

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Helix said:
devoting significant resources to a near perpetual state of war for almost a century is a poor use of those resources, IMO. we've done that for long enough. time to try something else.
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More stimulus spending?
 
APACHERAT said:
It was Novac with the Chicago Tribune who made it public about Valerie Plame not the Bush administration.

Two years after the story broke we found out the truth from Novac, Bush, Cheney, Libby weren't involved it was someone who worked for Sec. of State,
Colin Powell who mentioned to Novac that Valerie Plame was a low level secretary/analyst who use to work for the CIA.
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Plame wasn't a CIA station chief or a CIA officer or a CIA operative just a low level paper pusher who was no longer involved with the CIA.
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Colin Powell was a member of the G.W. Bush mis-administration.

Every leader (Including G. W. Bush.) is ultimately responsible for what every person serving under him does or fails to do.
 
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APACHERAT said:
It was Novac with the Chicago Tribune who made it public about Valerie Plame not the Bush administration.

Two years after the story broke we found out the truth from Novac, Bush, Cheney, Libby weren't involved it was someone who worked for Sec. of State, Colin Powell who mentioned to Novac that Valerie Plame was a low level secretary/analyst who use to work for the CIA.

Plame wasn't a CIA station chief or a CIA officer or a CIA operative just a low level paper pusher who was no longer involved with the CIA.
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Why did Libby obstruct justice and then resign? Isn't that the sign of a ratfink?
 
Gimmesometruth said:
But it wasn't, you had Rove telling Cooper, Libby telling Miller and Armitage telling Novak. No one believes Armitage's mea culpa.....the memo was stamped SECRET all over.

Um, this was an administrative leak from multiple sources.

Seriously, you think there was some ultimate responsibility held in the Plame outing?

Uh....whu?
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Hypothetically, if Plame's outing was due to incompetence would the Democrats and the Media given the GOP a pass ?

Considering clowns like Harry Ried were standing up in the Senate Lamenting the failure of Bush's surge before it was over I sincerely doubt they would have.

But since you people are justifying this as a "Mistake" anyway why should it go unpunished ?

Why should no one be held accountable ?
 
Fenton said:
Hypothetically, if Plame's outing was due to incompetence would the Democrats and the Media given the GOP a pass ?

Considering clowns like Harry Ried were standing up in the Senate Lamenting the failure of Bush's surge before it was over I sincerely doubt they would have.

But since you people are justifying this as a "Mistake" anyway why should it go unpunished ?

Why should no one be held accountable ?
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In all fairness, the regime can't handle anymore scandals.
 
apdst said:
More stimulus spending?
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if that's what you want to call repairing and expanding our neglected infrastructure, then yes.
 
tres borrachos said:
Of course I do. I would assume most people posting on here do. Most drunk drivers don't get behind the wheel of a car with the intent to kill others. But let's say they kill some innocent person while driving drunk. So their actions should just be chalked up to a mistake, and everyone should move on?

We heard repeatedly what danger Plame was in after the "outing". Is this man not in more and more serious danger given his job versus what she did?

Or in this case, was the "outing" of Plame not really the important, life threatening issue the left made it out to be, now that the Obama administration stupidly did the same thing?
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They didn't do the same thing. Valerie Plame worked for a CIA front company named Brewster Jennings & Associates, so everyone involved with that company were also exposed.

Brewster Jennings & Associates - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
Fenton said:
Hypothetically, if Plame's outing was due to incompetence would the Democrats and the Media given the GOP a pass ?
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But it wasn't.



But since you people are justifying this as a "Mistake" anyway why should it go unpunished ?

Why should no one be held accountable ?
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This "people" never said anything like what you are insinuating.

We call this "straw".
 
Helix said:
if that's what you want to call repairing and expanding our neglected infrastructure, then yes.
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Afghanistan isn't preventing that.
 
Fearandloathing said:
Link?


There have been no real talks in a long time.....since the election I believe.....it is a major issue here and leads the news as Canada has a large "Peacekeeping" role there now. And with the heavy casualties, heaviest per capita in the war, we took, there is great sensitivity here. The concern is that the US will do what it always does and leave with the job half done.

But, please indicate anything more than speculation that Obama was even trying for a meeting, it looks like pure self promotion from here.
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It's starting to look that the trip to Afghanistan was just a damage control trip over that the VA was cooking the books under Obama's watch.

Obama is just trying to convince the American people that he likes the U.S. military, he would never use the military for social engineering or allow drag queens to entertain the troops on air force bases or that he trust those serving under his command and would never order the U.S. Marines to hold umbrellas or remove the bolts from their rifles.
 
apdst said:
These kinds of mistakes are unacceptable.
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Suddenly, when faced with the opportunity to build an argument on the idea that this was deliberate.....you get weak in the knees......and post a non-sequitur....that admits to it being a mistake!

Color me unsurprised.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
But it wasn't.



This "people" never said anything like what you are insinuating.

We call this "straw".
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Forget about the Plame comparisons.

Should someone be held accountable for this "Mistake" ?

You people are big on Forgiveness when it's motivated by who it effects politically.

But we're all supposed to be adults here, and that includes the White House.

Would a "mistake" of this magnitude be tolerated in any private sector environment ?

Would the Democrats have tolerated it if it happened under the Bush administration ?
 
Fenton said:
Forget about the Plame comparisons.
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LOL!!! No! YOU WANTED TO GO THERE!

LOL!

Should someone be held accountable for this "Mistake" ?
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Um, yeah.....deeeeeer.

You people are big on Forgiveness when it's motivated by who it effects politically.

But we're all supposed to be adults here, and that includes the White House.

Would a "mistake" of this magnitude be tolerated in any private sector environment ?

Would the Democrats have tolerated it if it happened under the Bush administration ?
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Your feigned outrage is really, totally undercut....by the fact that "us people" are not calling for this to be ignored.

What will you do now?
 
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