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    Re: White House mistakenly identifies CIA chief in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Now you are trying to argue that a document labeled SECRET is not secret, that these top level officials did not understand what SECRET means, that they suddenly became unaware of the implications of USC 426.

    I think it is completely stretching the bonds of rationality to say that a CIA pr guy can find out with one call that she was covert.....but yet this escaped members of Cheney's office.

    You can believe that fairy tale if you like....and.....you do.

    You can play it that way if you like, but it is baseless.
    Joe Wilson's name was also on that document... Does that mean that his identity is classified also?

    When Joe Wilson decided he wanted to get rich by spilling the beans about his secret mission to Niger and write a book full of his famous "literary flairs", that mission to Niger was no longer a secret. Some of the details layed out in that document were of course still classified, but his name and his wifes name were not.

    Please read it again carefully, and with any luck you will realize that she was not described as a covert agent, nor did they indicate anywhere that her identity was classified. She was described as a "CIA WMD managerial type and the wife of Joe Wilson" If the person at the CIA who wrote that memo had known of her status, her name would have either never been used, or it would have specified that her identity was classified and that she was a covert foriegn operative.... But it's obvious and as plain as the nose on your face, that the person who wrote that had no idea, yet you want to claim that Armitage did.

    The amount of BS you have to tell yourself in order to justify your political beliefs and hatred is unbelievable.


    No knowledge = No crime = No indictment = No conspiricy

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    Re: White House mistakenly identifies CIA chief in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    Joe Wilson's name was also on that document... Does that mean that his identity is classified also?

    When Joe Wilson decided he wanted to get rich by spilling the beans about his secret mission to Niger and write a book full of his famous "literary flairs", that mission to Niger was no longer a secret. Some of the details layed out in that document were of course still classified, but his name and his wifes name were not.
    What a pile of BS, Wilson's trip to Niger was not secret and was made almost a year prior to President Bush's SOTU address as a favor to his government. He wrote the book - The Politics of Truth: A Diplomat's Memoir: Inside the Lies that Led to War and Betrayed My Wife's CIA Identity - because the Bush administration went after him and his wife.
    Joe Wilson explains why he wrote his NYT OP/ed:



    Please read it again carefully, and with any luck you will realize that she was not described as a covert agent, nor did they indicate anywhere that her identity was classified. She was described as a "CIA WMD managerial type and the wife of Joe Wilson" If the person at the CIA who wrote that memo had known of her status, her name would have either never been used, or it would have specified that her identity was classified and that she was a covert foriegn operative.... But it's obvious and as plain as the nose on your face, that the person who wrote that had no idea, yet you want to claim that Armitage did.

    The amount of BS you have to tell yourself in order to justify your political beliefs and hatred is unbelievable.
    I agree, they never knew her status was classified, if they had, they wouldn't released her identity to the press, IMO.


    No knowledge = No crime = No indictment = No conspiricy
    They wanted to destroy Wilson's credibility.


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    Re: White House mistakenly identifies CIA chief in Afghanistan

    So apparently Libby went to prison for outing Plame. If that is the punishment, then I suppose it should be applied consistently.

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    Re: White House mistakenly identifies CIA chief in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    What a pile of BS, Wilson's trip to Niger was not secret and was made almost a year prior to President Bush's SOTU address as a favor to his government. He wrote the book - The Politics of Truth: A Diplomat's Memoir: Inside the Lies that Led to War and Betrayed My Wife's CIA Identity - because the Bush administration went after him and his wife.
    Joe Wilson explains why he wrote his NYT OP/ed:




    I agree, they never knew her status was classified, if they had, they wouldn't released her identity to the press, IMO.



    They wanted to destroy Wilson's credibility.
    Wilson did that to himself.
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    Re: White House mistakenly identifies CIA chief in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Wilson did that to himself.
    At least Pete got a few things right... The Administration never knew her status was classified (meaning there was no crime and nothing to indict anyone over) and the release of her name was to make Wilson look like an unqualified "mamma's boy" who's wife got him the gig.

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    Re: White House mistakenly identifies CIA chief in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    At least Pete got a few things right... The Administration never knew her status was classified (meaning there was no crime and nothing to indict anyone over) and the release of her name was to make Wilson look like an unqualified "mamma's boy" who's wife got him the gig.
    You might be correct that nobody might have been indicted since they didn't know she was covert. Had Scooter Libby never given the FBI false information, a special prosecutor would never have been involved with the case, but since Libby was part of the inner circle it became necessary. He was questioned as part of an investigation in the matter. He was asked how he knew Wilson's wife worked for the CIA, he said he learned it from newsman Tim Russert. Tim Russert testified before the Grand Jury that was false.

    Valerie Plame Wilson did not recommend Wilson for the gig, and she testified under oath as such.

    Here is two videos which show her testimony before the House Oversight Committee, I suggest you watch both, you will learn a bunch about what her job was and her classification.




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    Re: White House mistakenly identifies CIA chief in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    You might be correct that nobody might have been indicted since they didn't know she was covert. Had Scooter Libby never given the FBI false information, a special prosecutor would never have been involved with the case, but since Libby was part of the inner circle it became necessary. He was questioned as part of an investigation in the matter. He was asked how he knew Wilson's wife worked for the CIA, he said he learned it from newsman Tim Russert. Tim Russert testified before the Grand Jury that was false.

    Valerie Plame Wilson did not recommend Wilson for the gig, and she testified under oath as such.

    Here is two videos which show her testimony before the House Oversight Committee, I suggest you watch both, you will learn a bunch about what her job was and her classification.


    How did the Waxman hearing turn out and the Plame suits against Libby and Cheney?

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    Re: White House mistakenly identifies CIA chief in Afghanistan

    Isn't America under the Obamy years in office now the weak kneed, spineless land of incompetency. Our enemies are more powerful than ever and our allies are dumping us like a hot coal. It is one debacle after another and this so called president does nothing. He is America's last black president. Nice job Obamy, you have served your race well.

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    Re: White House mistakenly identifies CIA chief in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    So apparently Libby went to prison for outing Plame. If that is the punishment, then I suppose it should be applied consistently.
    Actually no. Libby went to prison for perjury because he told the details of the story differently. Plame was outed by Richard Armitage, who escapes censure because he is reliably not-conservative.


    But it'd be interesting if anyone here still pretending to be upset about that bothers to show consistency.

    It should be remembered that it was only a few years ago that the same Democratic Party that currently runs the White House was up in arms because the name of a CIA official was leaked to the press…. the outrage about [Valerie] Plame’s outing in the liberal mainstream press was universal and white-hot. An angry Washington press corps helped manufacture a crisis that forced President Bush to appoint a special prosecutor to look into an act that was proclaimed to be nothing short of treason…. [W]hat occurred this past week was far worse than anything that happened to Plame. Plame was, after all, serving in an office in Virginia and, while classified, was no secret. By contrast, the CIA station chief whose name was released is in peril every day in Kabul. He is serving on the front lines of a shooting war and the release of his name in this indiscriminate manner may well have compromised his effectiveness if not his safety...

    Mind you, that's doubtful. Given that this administration has leaked plenty of classified crap before and so far nobody has cared:

    Last year, they leaked fact that the Libyan prime minister had approved the US raid that captured a senior al-Qaeda leader in Tripoli — which led directly to the prime minister’s kidnapping in retaliation for authorizing the raids.
    They also leaked the fact that a second raid had been planned against one of the terrorists responsible for the Benghazi attack – tipping him off that we were planning to snatch him.
    Before that, they leaked the role of a British double agent in breaking up a new underwear bomb plot in Yemen – requiring that double agent to be extracted.
    They also leaked classified operational details of the bin Laden raid – which got a Pakistani doctor who helped us arrested.
    They also leaked classified details of a US cyber-attack on Iran’s nuclear program.
    They also leaked the US and Israeli role in creating the “Flame” virus to spy on Iran’s nuclear program.
    They also leaked the existence of a “secret kill list” of terrorists targeted with drone strikes.
    They also leaked the existence of a secret US drone base in Saudi Arabia.
    They also leaked the existence a secret Israeli agreement with Azerbaijan to use its territory in case of a raid on Iran’s nuclear program.
    They also leaked the existence of secret special operations bases in Burkina Faso that were being used against al Qaeda in Africa.
    They also leaked the presence of CIA teams in Turkey helping direct aid to anti-Assad rebels in Syria.
    They also leaked the existence of a top secret “covert action finding” authorizing US support for rebels....

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