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    Re: White House mistakenly identifies CIA chief in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    I trust Obama to handle the situation as he sees fit. Do you think it was appropriate for President Bush to commute Libby's sentence of a very serious crime of obstruction of justice?
    Actually Libby should have received the death penalty which would have been commuted to life in prison for outing a CIA desk jockey. Amazing, how Plame sued and lost yet you still believe what the left tells you. Why is this still an issue today when Bush has been out of office for almost 6 years? Guess when you have such a crappy economy and terrible foreign policy results this is what you have to do, divert.

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    Re: White House mistakenly identifies CIA chief in Afghanistan

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    Actually Libby should have received the death penalty which would have been commuted to life in prison for outing a CIA desk jockey. Amazing, how Plame sued and lost yet you still believe what the left tells you. Why is this still an issue today when Bush has been out of office for almost 6 years? Guess when you have such a crappy economy and terrible foreign policy results this is what you have to do, divert.

    Aw, yes, the liberal love for incompetence, Trust in Obama
    How incredibly stupid, you celebrate the loss of victims from the intentional actions of the Office of the Vice President Cheney while you seriously believe "liberals love" accidents.

    These absolutely sycophant and trollish ideas represent the extreme US right wing.
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    Re: White House mistakenly identifies CIA chief in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Um, the VP knew she was CIA, the memo Armitage read was secret, there was no reason for Libby, Rove, Armitage and Fleischer to be spreading the fact that she was CIA to multiple reporters within a 2 week period other than as a coordinated program to smear her. The motivation was totally evident......and this is the conclusion Fitzgerald came to, along with any other sentient being.
    Knowing that someone works for the CIA, doesn't mean that the persons identity is classified. She had been working at a desk job for 5 years ffs.

    Maybe your memory is failing you, but the reason her name became part of the conversation in the first place, is because people were wondering how Wilson got the assignment when he doesn't have a security clearance and doesn't work for the CIA.

    Oh...and this:

    Harlow, the former CIA spokesman, said in an interview yesterday that he testified last year before a grand jury about conversations he had with Novak at least three days before the column was published. He said he warned Novak, in the strongest terms he was permitted to use without revealing classified information, that Wilson’s wife had not authorized the mission and that if he did write about it, her name should not be revealed.
    Harlow said that after Novak’s call, he checked Plame’s status and confirmed that she was an undercover operative. He said he called Novak back to repeat that the story Novak had related to him was wrong and that Plame’s name should not be used.
    So?

    What you're saying is, that 3 days before Novak published his story, Harlow learned that she had been a covert operative in the past. That was long after she had been mentioned to several different people. Maybe you have the impression that Novak was checking on her status, but that isn't what he was doing. He was trying to confirm whether she was the one responsible for Wilson getting the assignment. That's when Harlow learned about her status.

    Understand, he never told Novak her name was classified or legally protected... Here's what Novak said: "He asked me not to use her name, saying she probably never again will be given a foreign assignment but that exposure of her name might cause "difficulties" if she travels abroad. He never suggested to me that Wilson's wife or anybody else would be endangered. If he had, I would not have used her name."

    As for Plame suggesting Wilson for the assignment, the Senate Investigation determined that is exactly what she appeared to have done, based on the memo she sent to her boss and several interviews with various people at the CIA.

    There is a reason nobody was prosecuted for revealing her name... That's because in order for it to have been a crime, the person who revealed her name had to have known before the fact, that she was designated a covert operative for the agency. To prove that, all Fitz had to do was find one document, one memo, or one email that stated she was a covert operative, or an inquiry from the administration on her status, or locate one person from the agency who had informed someone from administration verbally or by memo of her status... They obviously couldn't find anything that would suggest that her name was revealed knowing that it was classified... Those are the facts.

    Nobody revealed her name to "out" her... it was part of the story and if anything, it was done to both embarrass and discredit Wilson and did not endanger anyone PERIOD.
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    Re: White House mistakenly identifies CIA chief in Afghanistan

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    Knowing that someone works for the CIA, doesn't mean that the persons identity is classified. She had been working at a desk job for 5 years ffs.

    Maybe your memory is failing you, but the reason her name became part of the conversation in the first place, is because people were wondering how Wilson got the assignment when he doesn't have a security clearance and doesn't work for the CIA.



    So?

    What you're saying is, that 3 days before Novak published his story, Harlow learned that she had been a covert operative in the past. That was long after she had been mentioned to several different people. Maybe you have the impression that Novak was checking on her status, but that isn't what he was doing. He was trying to confirm whether she was the one responsible for Wilson getting the assignment. That's when Harlow learned about her status.

    Understand, he never told Novak her name was classified or legally protected... Here's what Novak said: "He asked me not to use her name, saying she probably never again will be given a foreign assignment but that exposure of her name might cause "difficulties" if she travels abroad. He never suggested to me that Wilson's wife or anybody else would be endangered. If he had, I would not have used her name."

    As for Plame suggesting Wilson for the assignment, the Senate Investigation determined that is exactly what she appeared to have done, based on the memo she sent to her boss and several interviews with various people at the CIA.

    There is a reason nobody was prosecuted for revealing her name... That's because in order for it to have been a crime, the person who revealed her name had to have known before the fact, that she was designated a covert operative for the agency. To prove that, all Fitz had to do was find one document, one memo, or one email that stated she was a covert operative, or an inquiry from the administration on her status, or locate one person from the agency who had informed someone from administration verbally or by memo of her status... They obviously couldn't find anything that would suggest that her name was revealed knowing that it was classified... Those are the facts.

    Nobody revealed her name to "out" her... it was part of the story and if anything, it was done to both embarrass and discredit Wilson and did not endanger anyone PERIOD.
    Looks to me like this is exactly why Plame lost her lawsuit against Libby and Cheney and then lost the appeal of that loss. This is nothing more than liberal diversion from the Obama record and the outing of a CIA Station Operations Chief. Amazing isn't it how after all the scandals in this Administration that supporters still believe Obama will do the right thing.

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    Re: White House mistakenly identifies CIA chief in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    I love that guy.

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    Re: White House mistakenly identifies CIA chief in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post

    Knowing that someone works for the CIA, doesn't mean that the persons identity is classified. She had been working at a desk job for 5 years ffs.

    Maybe your memory is failing you, but the reason her name became part of the conversation in the first place, is because people were wondering how Wilson got the assignment when he doesn't have a security clearance and doesn't work for the CIA.
    Wilson was drawn in because the VP office wanted a recommendation, they went to Plame because she was the go to for nonproliferation. The Office knew she was CIA and covert.

    So?

    What you're saying is, that 3 days before Novak published his story, Harlow learned that she had been a covert operative in the past. That was long after she had been mentioned to several different people. Maybe you have the impression that Novak was checking on her status, but that isn't what he was doing. He was trying to confirm whether she was the one responsible for Wilson getting the assignment. That's when Harlow learned about her status.
    LOL..."so?"....so your story, your tale was total bs. She was covert AT THE TIME HARLOW CONFIRMED HER STATUS. Is reading that tough?

    Understand, he never told Novak her name was classified or legally protected... Here's what Novak said: "He asked me not to use her name, saying she probably never again will be given a foreign assignment but that exposure of her name might cause "difficulties" if she travels abroad. He never suggested to me that Wilson's wife or anybody else would be endangered. If he had, I would not have used her name."
    Novak said LOTS of things, all of it to cover his azz. He was told not use her name because she was covert......and Novak should not have been told about her in the first place, but was by design. He was a willing patsy.

    As for Plame suggesting Wilson for the assignment, the Senate Investigation determined that is exactly what she appeared to have done, based on the memo she sent to her boss and several interviews with various people at the CIA.
    Which is what I said above, she was the CIA expert on nonproliferation issues, the VP Office sought her.

    There is a reason nobody was prosecuted for revealing her name... That's because in order for it to have been a crime, the person who revealed her name had to have known before the fact, that she was designated a covert operative for the agency.
    Wrong, it is a criminal act to do it intentionally with malice.

    To prove that, all Fitz had to do was find one document, one memo, or one email that stated she was a covert operative, or an inquiry from the administration on her status, or locate one person from the agency who had informed someone from administration verbally or by memo of her status... They obviously couldn't find anything that would suggest that her name was revealed knowing that it was classified... Those are the facts.
    Your premise is in error, no foundation. The documents Armitage read were secret, he knew what that means....and his mea culpa was his out.

    Nobody revealed her name to "out" her... it was part of the story and if anything, it was done to both embarrass and discredit Wilson and did not endanger anyone PERIOD.
    You just keep revealing how little you know about this, Rove, Libby and Fleischer all told reporters her name in connection to Niger/Wilson, blowing her cover. It was orchestrated by the VP Office, Fitz investigated and recognized it...... and stated such. It is completely revealing to admit that it was done intentionally to harm Wilson.....which is the point. You have already been shown that she was covert....BY YOUR OWN CITATION. The CIA believed it was damaging....enough so as to file a criminal referral to the DOJ.
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    Re: White House mistakenly identifies CIA chief in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    Take the crayons out of your nose and tell me where I said I support Obama in this.
    Put your bi-focals on first.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: White House mistakenly identifies CIA chief in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    I remember the Bush Administration saying the Iraq war would take maybe 6 weeks and the oil revenues would pay for it.
    I'm still waiting for my Iraq oil card with all that oil we took from them.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: White House mistakenly identifies CIA chief in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    I'm still waiting for my Iraq oil card with all that oil we took from them.
    Exactly, isn't that what liberals were saying about our invasion of Iraq, that it was all for oil and to enrich Bush, Cheney, and their "oil buddies?"

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