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    Re: China and Russia Best Frenemies

    Quote Originally Posted by Demon of Light View Post
    Fun fact: most of the world's countries and population live south of the United States, Europe, and Russia. Tell me how many of those countries are shutting out Russia in any way before talking **** about them being "isolated" in a regurgitation of Western propaganda. I do agree with you that the deal is being overblown as it regards Sino-Russian relations, but this does reflect that they are not being isolated.
    How many countries rallied to Russia's side to defend her from the Western criticism of its occupation? Even the strongest Russian allies couldn't do that. Hell, right now Russia's neighbors are building up their militaries to defend themselves from the Bear. That's not a sign Russia isn't being isolated. Countries who need the money will take the deals, but it's not like they're going to be happy siding with a country who invaded their neighbor on totally bogus pretenses. I see Russian power on the decline and acting as a pompous prick with no regard for international agreements signed by a previous government is no way to make friends.
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    Re: China and Russia Best Frenemies

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    How many countries rallied to Russia's side to defend her from the Western criticism of its occupation? Even the strongest Russian allies couldn't do that.
    That is more for their own domestic political reasons. Many of them have their own concerns about separatism and so endorsing separatism would be problematic. A lot more strongly objected to the sanctions by contrast.

    Hell, right now Russia's neighbors are building up their militaries to defend themselves from the Bear.
    Which neighbors? Some neighbors certainly are doing that. Many of China's neighbors are building up their militaries as well. Does that mean China is isolated?

    Countries who need the money will take the deals, but it's not like they're going to be happy siding with a country who invaded their neighbor on totally bogus pretenses.
    What about invading a country like say 6,000 miles away? Does that make it better?

    acting as a pompous prick with no regard for international agreements signed by a previous government is no way to make friends.
    Yet the U.S. still has plenty of friends.
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    Re: China and Russia Best Frenemies

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    How many countries rallied to Russia's side to defend her from the Western criticism of its occupation? Even the strongest Russian allies couldn't do that. Hell, right now Russia's neighbors are building up their militaries to defend themselves from the Bear. That's not a sign Russia isn't being isolated. Countries who need the money will take the deals, but it's not like they're going to be happy siding with a country who invaded their neighbor on totally bogus pretenses. I see Russian power on the decline and acting as a pompous prick with no regard for international agreements signed by a previous government is no way to make friends.
    You mean like our administration did?
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    Re: China and Russia Best Frenemies

    After you visit a Chinese restaurant even your dung is made in China so all this China success is founded right here in the good ol usa.

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    Re: China and Russia Best Frenemies

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    How many countries rallied to Russia's side to defend her from the Western criticism of its occupation? Even the strongest Russian allies couldn't do that. Hell, right now Russia's neighbors are building up their militaries to defend themselves from the Bear. That's not a sign Russia isn't being isolated. Countries who need the money will take the deals, but it's not like they're going to be happy siding with a country who invaded their neighbor on totally bogus pretenses. I see Russian power on the decline and acting as a pompous prick with no regard for international agreements signed by a previous government is no way to make friends.
    I doubt the Russians or Chinese care what you think, nor for your very odd take on these events.

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    Re: China and Russia Best Frenemies

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    I doubt the Russians or Chinese care what you think, nor for your very odd take on these events.
    I am once again not surprised you have no actual argument. See my original post questioning if you understand the topic at all. It seems it's an obvious no.
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    Re: China and Russia Best Frenemies

    Quote Originally Posted by Demon of Light View Post
    That is more for their own domestic political reasons. Many of them have their own concerns about separatism and so endorsing separatism would be problematic. A lot more strongly objected to the sanctions by contrast.
    The countries objecting to sanctions are doing it for their own self interest though. It's sad for countries who were literally stomped on by the USSR are finding themselves objecting to actions to punish similar actions by the Russian Federation.

    Which neighbors? Some neighbors certainly are doing that. Many of China's neighbors are building up their militaries as well. Does that mean China is isolated?

    Yes actually.
    China's actions are causing its neighbors to forgo their own disputes and start to work as a united front against China. The US spokesperson said that "no one is trying to contain China" but that is entirely 150% BS. That's exactly what we're doing with our Asian allies. Furthermore, like our Asian allies, Russia's neighbors are ordering big build ups right after the Crimean Invasion and Occupation. Apparently there was news that a Kremlin aide let slip that Putin is also after Belarus and Finland. Seeking to regain the lost territories of the USSR.

    What about invading a country like say 6,000 miles away? Does that make it better?
    Since when did two wrongs make a right? Also, the US did gain some isolation after the Iraqi Mistake.

    Yet the U.S. still has plenty of friends.
    True, but they know we're not going to invade them for reasons we make up at the time. Especially countries that we share deep cultural and economic ties.

    The amusing part of the Ukrainian adventure is that Putin in trying to ensure that Ukraine doesn't leave the Russian Sphere of influence has permanently lost Ukraine from the Russian Sphere of influence.
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    Re: China and Russia Best Frenemies

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You mean like our administration did?
    Such as....?
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    Re: China and Russia Best Frenemies

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    I am once again not surprised you have no actual argument. See my original post questioning if you understand the topic at all. It seems it's an obvious no.
    Your opinions is all over the place but have no facts to support them. This might have been an interesting thread sans your juvenile rants.

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    Re: China and Russia Best Frenemies

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Your opinions is all over the place but have no facts to support them. This might have been an interesting thread sans your juvenile rants.
    Look kids, "You're wrong...because I say so!"

    Tell me, you think I'm wrong on the RMB having issues regarding the PRC's central bank? Please, tell me why you think the PRC central bank is trustworthy enough for the RMB to displace the dollar.

    (Prediction: You're going to run)

    Thing is Grant, we've done this dance so many times that we both know you cannot win an argument against me.
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