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Police call deadly Santa Barbara shooting spree 'premeditated mass murder'[W220]

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Lutherf said:
I only asked because there has been a lot of talk about keeping firearms out of the hands of "crazies". If this guy kept the "kill 'em all" stuff to himself there would be no reason to think he was nuts. That's the major problem we have with the mentally ill. There's no good way to readily differentiate between "eccentric" and "loony tunes" without running absolutely everybody through regular mental health checks.
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True. He also doesnt have to go to a gun store to get a gun.

I havent read where he got his weapons yet.
 
Superfly said:
The following are two pictures: One is a picture of mass shootings in the US, the other is the red state/blue state map. If you go in and count, you'll find that there are actually more shootings in red states than blue.
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The red state/blue state thing is bogus. Colorado went for Obama his first time up, and it is run by the left, passing very 'left' legislation. You can not really call it a 'red' state… it shifts between shades of purple, as do many states.

If one wants to talk about the political lean of most of the shooters, well, that's a different story, and the majority do not turn out to be what the anti-gun lobby wants/wishes they were.
 
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Lursa said:
True. He also doesnt have to go to a gun store to get a gun.

I havent read where he got his weapons yet.
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He got them legally.
 
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DDD said:
He had various therapy sessions:

Alleged gunman Elliot Rodger, 22, lived a life of privilege

But, did he ever heard of a public house? Night clubs?

Also, where did he get the gun? See how he abuses the 2A right to carry guns by mass murdering? Now if there were licenses that require a pre-brain scan his murderous tendencies may have been revealed at which point he would not have the means to kill (rather than defend).

I do not think these high profile young men would risk to purchase guns in the illegal black market. They there may probably eat him alive. But even if he were to do that he could be caught from the police and this could have been prevented.
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:beatdeadhorse Here we go again, brain scan may be idea in Dardania but does not work in USA
 
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MACS-24 said:
:beatdeadhorse Here we go again, brain scan may be idea in Dardania but does not work in USA
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Did you tried it?
 
Police call deadly Santa Barbara shooting spree 'premeditated mass murder'

Lursa said:
True. He also doesnt have to go to a gun store to get a gun.

I havent read where he got his weapons yet.
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Gun stores and waiting period.
 
Superfly said:
The following are two pictures: One is a picture of mass shootings in the US, the other is the red state/blue state map. If you go in and count, you'll find that there are actually more shootings in red states than blue.

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Now. To be fair? I counted 15 red states and 14 blue states, so it's not like it's a runaway.
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interesting..
the map tells me that a mass shooting can seemingly happen in any state, at about any occasion..
and although the "assault"/AR15 styled rifle is waved like a flag by anti-gun groups, the automatic handgun seems to be the weapon of choice by these loathsome people.
 
Gipper said:
Dude must have zero game. In my teens and early twenties I was dirt poor and uglier than this kid - and I got more ass than a toilet seat.

If anything, I think it speaks to this entitlement nation. He thought that chicks should spread on demand. Ya ain't that rich, kid.
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You should have turned it over. There's ***** on the other side. :mrgreen:
 
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Crosscheck said:
The family kept dumping expensive cars and material on him in hopes of making him happy and not so angry at the world. When in reality they should have just paid for the service of a pavement princess.
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Snort!

Or a lot lizard from the local truck stop.
 
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cpgrad08 said:
He got them legally.
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Did he purchase them? Inherit them? Borrow them? Take them from his parent's gun safe, what?
 
Superfly said:
All he had to do was ask. :D I'd venture to guess that most any girl would tell him that if he would stop and just listen to her and stop focusing on how to get her in the sack.
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Okay, I stopped and listened to this post. Time to get naked now.
 
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Lursa said:
Hmmm....this loser had a BMW? At 22?

And his family couldnt find the means...legally...to get him committed? Of have him supervised? Or find him other help? A great presumption on my part, I agree, but it raises a question in my mind.
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The dad is blaming everyone and everything else, too. When does he come to grips with the fact that his son went on a spree, killing people he didn't even know, because he had a mental problem? In a way he's lucky - the Sandy Hook mass murderer's first victim was his mother!

Greetings, lLursa. :2wave:
 
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polgara said:
the Sandy Hook mass murderer's first victim was his mother!
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And in that case there was also a parent that knew something was wrong with their kid and went out looking for help and was told pretty much 'there is nothing we can do'.

And people refuse to look at our horrible mental health system.
 
Police call deadly Santa Barbara shooting spree 'premeditated mass murder'

polgara said:
The dad is blaming everyone and everything else, too. When does he come to grips with the fact that his son went on a spree, killing people he didn't even know, because he had a mental problem? In a way he's lucky - the Sandy Hook mass murderer's first victim was his mother!

Greetings, lLursa. :2wave:
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Screw that slimy weasel parent.

He has absolute accountability and responsibility.

He can't make a phone call and then wash his hands of everything.

The moron fell close to the tree.
 
SMTA said:
Screw that slimy weasel parent.

He has absolute accountability and responsibility.

He can't make a phone call and then wash his hands of everything.

The moron fell close to the tree.
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i don't doubt that this killer had a mental disorder, but that is no excuse for his actions because they were motivated by something far worse.

the killer has defenders of a far worse pedegree.

Elliot Rodger: The Pick-Up Artist community’s predictable, horrible response to a mass murder.

i never knew there was such a thing as a pickup artist community.
 
WhyteRash said:
interesting..
the map tells me that a mass shooting can seemingly happen in any state, at about any occasion..
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Yes, despite what some people like to believe, the map clearly shows that there is no political bias with regards to states and mass shootings.

But you will always have somebody to try to turn it political.
 
Ikari said:
But that seems to be what some people want and expect; the government to solve any and all problems. There's very little consideration towards personal responsibility these days.
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So the mentally ill or deranged should become more responsible? Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.
 
WhyteRash said:
and although the "assault"/AR15 styled rifle is waved like a flag by anti-gun groups, the automatic handgun seems to be the weapon of choice by these loathsome people.
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Probably getting off-topic but I've never understood the push to ban assault rifles only. Well, okay I do understand (the point of they have no real purpose in most cases) but the idea it'd fix anything. Mass shootings aren't likely going to be stopped, maybe something can be done to reduce them but probably never totally stopped. Shootings in general are a big issue and most are done by handguns, and personally I'd rather people carry assault rifles around then handguns, at least with the rifle it is going to standout (as opposed to a handgun which can be concealed easier).
 
coyotedelmar said:
(the point of they have no real purpose in most cases)
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You mean other than they are the most common sporting rifle in the USA? From those that hunt with them to those that compete with them to those that simply shoot them at a range for fun.
 
coyotedelmar said:
Probably getting off-topic but I've never understood the push to ban assault rifles only. Well, okay I do understand (the point of they have no real purpose in most cases) but the idea it'd fix anything. Mass shootings aren't likely going to be stopped, maybe something can be done to reduce them but probably never totally stopped. Shootings in general are a big issue and most are done by handguns, and personally I'd rather people carry assault rifles around then handguns, at least with the rifle it is going to standout (as opposed to a handgun which can be concealed easier).
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That's why it is called concealed carry.

It is a good thing.
 
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Arbo said:
And in that case there was also a parent that knew something was wrong with their kid and went out looking for help and was told pretty much 'there is nothing we can do'.

And people refuse to look at our horrible mental health system.
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There are no easy solutions to this issue. Apparently, the man's family is wealthy (or at least upper, upper middle class)- so this particular case does not seem to be a matter of recesources.

Rather, the core issue could well be the fact that it is very difficult to legally force an unwilling adult to submit to psychiatric treatment. My general understading is that one needs to have been committed before losing the ability to buy weapons. So.... you can see how the cycle worked in this case.
 
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Cryptic said:
There are no easy solutions to this issue. Apparently, the man's family is wealthy (or at least upper, upper middle class)- so this particular case does not seem to be a matter of recesources.

Rather, the core issue could well be the fact that it is very difficult to legally force an unwilling adult to submit to psychiatric treatment. My general understading is that one needs to have been committed before losing the ability to buy weapons. So.... you can see how the cycle worked in this case.
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The problem is, until we find a way to bring back our mental health system (which mean removing the stigma of mental health issues) in a manner that is transparent so any abuses can be seen and rectified, this sort of mass murder will continue. Hell, it's not even bringing such a system back to life, for first those that focus on all the other wrong issues must admit that this is the main issue, and as of now it seems most of society is in denial about that being the case.
 
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Arbo said:
for first those that focus on all the other wrong issues must admit that this is the main issue, and as of now it seems most of society is in denial about that being the case.
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What would you recommend doing?
 
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And people say misogyny doesn't exist anymore. Clearly it does.

Mental health systems? This problem goes beyond that. Our popular media is saturated with sexual imagery, including suggestive notions of not being validated if you aren't getting laid 24/7... especially for men. Add mental health issues and an unhealthy dose of misogyny to the mix, and you have crazy people feeling entitled to use violence to get back at bitches.

Our culture of violence as the solution also plays into this. The public has ready access to violent weaponry and unlike in the past we increasingly lack the systems (due to de-funding) that help people to maintain their human bonds and connections to one another. Isn't it obvious by now that our country's social community is rapidly degenerating? That is the main problem.... not guns, not lack of mental asylums, but lack of people who actually give two ****s about their communities and reach out to those in need. The human touch is already gone, along with TLC. The culture of rampant selfishness and individualism is at an all time high and those are the values behind the shootings. When people don't get what they want in life they kill someone. *shrug*
 
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