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    re: Police call deadly Santa Barbara shooting spree 'premeditated mass murder'[W220]

    Quote Originally Posted by SMTA View Post
    Yea, burning in Hell.

    Worthless little twits always take innocents before they go, though.
    I never understood that, I don't condone or endorse suicide but it's a fact of life for some people. If these people want to go out that way, do it BEFORE taking innocents.
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    Re: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/05/24/at-least-3-dead-in-shootings-in-santa-barbar

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    Dollars to donuts he's floating around some MRA group. Feeling like the only reason any guy would interact with a woman he wants is to "steal" her because somehow his desire means he owns her, trying to be all macho and "defend the damsel" from the woman-snatcher, and "WHY, OH, WHY WON'T SHE HAVE SEX WITH ME!?" Gee, dude, I dunno.

    It's this weird sense of narcissism and entitlement, and no matter how blatantly they show it, they never seem to see it themselves. And then they wonder why they can't get a date.
    I often get women who come back to talk to me after a failed marriage or relationship and I have moved on, I am a one woman man and I get why some might feel like "he looks desperate" is the right call, I am also a very nice guy, but for the right reasons, I'm not trying to impress anyone I just think it's a nice way to live. If someone gets the wrong read on me, no harm, no foul as long as they've been honest with me. I think though that the "bad read" comes from the guys who honestly are very flawed and think overcompensating with "nice" behavior do exactly what the true gentlemen do, they study what they think women want, and when their transparent attempts are rejected they get angry.

    I think you are right about them feeling entitled to be with the person of their choosing, it's telling about them that they take it personally when the woman declines. Fact is, a relationship is an interaction between two consenting people, if there is no consent.............move on. The "nice guys" who feel like the woman should automatically reward their efforts are IMO a potential future rapist, I am not saying that lightly by the way, and I would assume that a lot of the women who reject those types pick up on that vibe.
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    Re: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/05/24/at-least-3-dead-in-shootings-in-santa-barbar

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    I often get women who come back to talk to me after a failed marriage or relationship and I have moved on, I am a one woman man and I get why some might feel like "he looks desperate" is the right call, I am also a very nice guy, but for the right reasons, I'm not trying to impress anyone I just think it's a nice way to live. If someone gets the wrong read on me, no harm, no foul as long as they've been honest with me. I think though that the "bad read" comes from the guys who honestly are very flawed and think overcompensating with "nice" behavior do exactly what the true gentlemen do, they study what they think women want, and when their transparent attempts are rejected they get angry.

    I think you are right about them feeling entitled to be with the person of their choosing, it's telling about them that they take it personally when the woman declines. Fact is, a relationship is an interaction between two consenting people, if there is no consent.............move on. The "nice guys" who feel like the woman should automatically reward their efforts are IMO a potential future rapist, I am not saying that lightly by the way, and I would assume that a lot of the women who reject those types pick up on that vibe.
    Yup. I can smell them before they've even finished their opening line. I've never met a woman over 20 who couldn't do the same.

    They come at you with something unusual but extremely rehearsed, and their face smiles, but their eyes don't. They're in a rush to go to the next step, and if you're in a venue that has it, to push you to drink at 3 times your normal pace. There's just something really off-putting and uncomfortable about them. I've also caught them using standard-issue "neg" lines they ripped straight off a PUA site -- apparently mild insults that are supposed to make your panties wet. They're kind of looking through you, like you're not a real human being. The wheels are turning like it's some kind of high-stakes chess game, or they're trying to take down a deer.

    I've known a couple women who figured maybe they were being judgmental and went out for one date with someone like that. They ran screaming by the end of it -- they just got a really controlling, scary vibe from them. I've never known any woman who actually went as far as sleeping with someone like that.

    These are the guys who always whine about how nice they are and that's apparently why they can't find a woman. They'll even whine about it while they're hitting on you, getting way too close to you no matter how much you back up or blatantly trying to over-liquor you or just reacting inappropriately and handing our insanely mismatched and awkward social ques. They're astoundingly creepy.

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    Re: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/05/24/at-least-3-dead-in-shootings-in-santa-barbar

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    Yup. I can smell them before they've even finished their opening line. I've never met a woman over 20 who couldn't do the same.

    They come at you with something unusual but extremely rehearsed, and their face smiles, but their eyes don't. They're in a rush to go to the next step, and if you're in a venue that has it, to push you to drink at 3 times your normal pace. There's just something really off-putting and uncomfortable about them. I've also caught them using standard-issue "neg" lines they ripped straight off a PUA site -- apparently mild insults that are supposed to make your panties wet. They're kind of looking through you, like you're not a real human being. The wheels are turning like it's some kind of high-stakes chess game, or they're trying to take down a deer.

    I've known a couple women who figured maybe they were being judgmental and went out for one date with someone like that. They ran screaming by the end of it -- they just got a really controlling, scary vibe from them. I've never known any woman who actually went as far as sleeping with someone like that.

    These are the guys who always whine about how nice they are and that's apparently why they can't find a woman. They'll even whine about it while they're hitting on you, getting way too close to you no matter how much you back up or blatantly trying to over-liquor you or just reacting inappropriately and handing our insanely mismatched and awkward social ques. They're astoundingly creepy.
    To what I bolded;
    1) I will offer a drink when I'm out(well, not anymore, going to bars and clubs isn't my thing anymore and I'm talking to a wonderful woman right now) but not if I am not also drinking, it goes to the gentleman issue when I offer a drink, a "I found you attractive, this is my social invitation, let's converse" way of expressing interest, but I have seen the creepers do the heavy push, my rule of thumb, if I am taking a drink I offer, no more or less, I always base it on my trip to the bar or if I see the lady may need a refill, never pushy, and if I offer a second time it's always "are you sure, I don't mind".
    2) I never look for the next step the same night, I always offer to exchange numbers and part ways. If the lady insists and there is chemistry.................well, then see where it goes but I don't insist.

    EDIT - Forgot to mention. I ran across a few of the "subtle insult" guys, one dude was explaining the entire psychology to me, I thought that dude was the biggest asshole I'd ever met. Relationships are about building each other up, how are you supposed to start a good one by tearing someone down?
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    Re: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/05/24/at-least-3-dead-in-shootings-in-santa-barbar

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    To what I bolded;
    1) I will offer a drink when I'm out(well, not anymore, going to bars and clubs isn't my thing anymore and I'm talking to a wonderful woman right now) but not if I am not also drinking, it goes to the gentleman issue when I offer a drink, a "I found you attractive, this is my social invitation, let's converse" way of expressing interest, but I have seen the creepers do the heavy push, my rule of thumb, if I am taking a drink I offer, no more or less, I always base it on my trip to the bar or if I see the lady may need a refill, never pushy, and if I offer a second time it's always "are you sure, I don't mind".
    2) I never look for the next step the same night, I always offer to exchange numbers and part ways. If the lady insists and there is chemistry.................well, then see where it goes but I don't insist.

    EDIT - Forgot to mention. I ran across a few of the "subtle insult" guys, one dude was explaining the entire psychology to me, I thought that dude was the biggest asshole I'd ever met. Relationships are about building each other up, how are you supposed to start a good one by tearing someone down?
    Yeah, while opinions vary on the particulars of provision of drinks, that's the basic outline of being a normal goddamn human being, pretty much.

    But to the bolded, that's all they're looking for -- to tear someone down. They either want not just sex but "revenge" sex to get back at women, or they assume a real relationship is impossible since they've never had one (not because of their terrible attitude, but because women are crazy and/or evil). There was actually a study done on these people recently. I posted it on DP actually, I think. The only kinds of women these guys ever pick up are women with poor self-esteem who are sexists themselves, in the direction of believing women should be subservient.

    Those women are far less common these days, so mostly what these guys get is fake numbers.

    And they still think they're nice guys and wonder why they keep getting rejections and fakes.

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    Re: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/05/24/at-least-3-dead-in-shootings-in-santa-barbar

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    Yeah, while opinions vary on the particulars of provision of drinks, that's the basic outline of being a normal goddamn human being, pretty much.

    But to the bolded, that's all they're looking for -- to tear someone down. They either want not just sex but "revenge" sex to get back at women, or they assume a real relationship is impossible since they've never had one (not because of their terrible attitude, but because women are crazy and/or evil). There was actually a study done on these people recently. I posted it on DP actually, I think. The only kinds of women these guys ever pick up are women with poor self-esteem who are sexists themselves, in the direction of believing women should be subservient.

    Those women are far less common these days, so mostly what these guys get is fake numbers.

    And they still think they're nice guys and wonder why they keep getting rejections and fakes.
    Exactly, the entire time this guy is bragging on his numbers and explaining that "they need to be put down so they'll be at my level" I was thinking that it's really pathetic to feel so poorly about one's own self that they have to bring people down to their level. It's a horrible attitude. I look at all aspects of life the same way, I am me, I have what I have to work with and people will either be on board or they won't.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/05/24/at-least-3-dead-in-shootings-in-santa-barbar

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    I feel for his victims and their loved ones, they did nothing wrong and he allowed his own impulses to cause them harm. He can rot in hell for all I care but these types almost always want to take people with them.
    I will never grasp that mentality.
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    Re: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/05/24/at-least-3-dead-in-shootings-in-santa-barbar

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    I will never grasp that mentality.
    I can't either man. Wanting to end it all is one thing, wanting to take others with you is a special kind of evil.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/05/24/at-least-3-dead-in-shootings-in-santa-barbar

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    If there's anything funny at all about this situation, it's that the kid died a virgin.
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    re: Police call deadly Santa Barbara shooting spree 'premeditated mass murder'[W220]

    Oh and his "manifesto" is absolutely terrifying. If you thought he was crazy from the vid in the OP, hoo boy, that thing pushes it WAY over the top.

    Scribd

    Seriously. This guy was so far gone, it's unbelievable.
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